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Bosch, with a group of industrialists, went to see Hitler. Uh, they asked for an audience, and he, uh, invited them in. And they came to talk to him about the new course that Germany was to take. Remember, Hitler had been in power since the end of January, so, uh, uh, things seemed pretty secure for him.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=54.945,87.77"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tNow what they said was that this. They said, look, we believe in the new Germany. We believe that the-- uh, the Weimar Republic is played out. We believe that the Versailles Treaty must be abrogated. Germany must once again take its place among the nations, all that kind of business.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=87.77,101.0"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tBut we do believe that there is one serious flaw in your policy which we think is not good for Germany, not good for Germany's reputation abroad, and personally unpalatable to many of us. And that is anti-Semitic, uh, speeches, and, uh, possibly legislation. Some Jews have already been driven out, and others are living under-- with a certain uneasiness. And we think that you ought to reverse course on that point. Your ambitions for a greater Germany and all this, we are very much for.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=101.0,130.9"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAt which point Hitler apparent-- so the story goes. And it-- it-- it's an authenticated story, which I have from a friend of mine, who is a historian of that period and has documented this. Hitler rang the bell, and one of his flunkies came in. And he said to him, will you escort these gentlemen out? Well, you can talk about self-deception. But by May '33, you would have wondered why a prominent German industrialist and his friends should have thought, you know, that this policy was somehow reversible, artificial, and so on. And it does seem very strange.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=130.9,161.49"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tUh, and-- and at the same time, it isn't really that strange. Because Hitler, as we know from his private speeches in the late 1920s, would often soft-pedal anti-Semitism when he talked to certain groups of industrialists. Uh, this is not too well known, but, uh, it is nevertheless true.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=161.49,177.16"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tHe understood, and he played this, as he played many other things, after all, in very self-contradictory ways. After all, Hitler, when he talked to industrialists, would talk about his defense of big industry, and the need for order so that it could function. When he talked to, uh, small shopkeepers, uh, he would thunder against the department stores, and against big industry and the monopolies. I mean, he-- he had a very, uh, --uh, he had many scripts.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=177.16,201.71"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd, uh, so anti-Semitism struck some, at least, as a kind of vulgar diversion, which was all right for some people, but not for the educated. Well, uh, of course they deceived themselves. But it does suggest the kind of strange atmosphere in which we lived, and in which, uh, uh, these Jew-- Jewish Germans had to make up their minds.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=201.71,223.492"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t[MUSIC PLAYING]\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=223.492,227.476"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=227.476,264.36"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tHANS FISHER: The events that led to our leaving Germany began to take sharp focus with the infamous Kristallnacht, November 9th, 1938, when the Nazis rounded up all males that they could get uh, a hold of. And my father was one of those. I remember the Gestapo knocking on the door. They were quite polite, and told him that he should take a few belongings, and to come along. They gave him 10 minutes. And uh, he, together with many others, was taken to the, uh, concentration camp at Buchenwald.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=264.36,318.99"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tHERBERT KARLINER: When he came back, we didn't recognize him. They shaved him. He lost at least 30, 40 pounds. I remember it so well when he came in. Like I said, I didn't-- I almost didn't recognize him. The Gestapo came to us also-- in-between, he was in camp-- and told us that we have to sell the house. We have to get rid of the house and the business.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=318.99,351.488"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tPETER GAY: Now, uh, surely by November of '38, even those who were most unwilling to recognize that, uh, this meant, uh, essentially uh, this was not such a long road towards the extermination camps, uh, decided that something must be done immediately. And it was of course then that, uh, uh, there was a good deal of, um, much more frantic activity, let's say, as people simply tore up their careful timetables and thought of getting out anywhere.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=351.488,384.11"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tBut it was-- it was the very multiplication of people wanting out as fast as possible that then raised problems with the countries that were supposed to receive them. France had been open, and continued more or less to be uh, open. Uh, for example, there was some place to which one could go.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=384.11,399.78"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tThe United States was uh, on its quota system. Uh, it had been a quota of 25,000 Germans, 3,000 Austrians, roughly 28,000 there together. One could not borrow from that quota. One could not say, just because it wasn't filled the year before, you can take some extra numbers. That was the ut-- utmost limit.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=399.78,418.11"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tNow the United States, of course, was the country to which most, uh, Jews in Germany wanted to go, uh, not only because they'd heard of it, but because they had friends, acquaintances, relatives there, many. And many Americans, Jews and others, were willing to, uh, take them in, and, uh, write out those famous affidavits which would guarantee that, uh, the immigrant would not become a-- a burden on-- on public funds, which given the American Depression, seemed-- was a big consideration.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=418.11,445.07"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tNow it was very clear-- and became very depressing-- but clearer and clearer to us in the winter of '38 and early '39 that the United States was not about to open its doors to everybody. We also had applied, uh, to the United States. Uh, we had relatives here who were very generous, very active on our behalf, and who were doing what they could. But, uh, well, they're lobbying or anybody else's lobbying made no difference. If we had had to wait our turn-- and it was done strictly by, uh, when the application had been filled and w-- wh-- when-- it had been sent in, and when it was, uh, approved and so on, uh, we would have had to wait seven, possibly eight years, which would have roughly been until 1944-45.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=445.07,486.61"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd it was perfectly plain to us, as well as to many other people, that at this point, one had to look for a haven elsewhere. Um, we, for example, like many others, tried to get into Britain, and we were turned down, uh, just a day before Christmas, 1938. Uh, the argument against our-- the-- the-- the decisive reason-- the reason offered-- was that we were, uh-- given the, uh, unemployment in England, we would become, uh, simply competition for Englishmen in need of jobs. And this was across the line taken over and over again.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=486.61,517.22"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd then by the spring of '39 then, you have something like-- what, perhaps 350-400,000 Jews in Germany trying to get out all at once. And there was simply no room for, uh-- in this world, unfortunately, for all of them at once. And, uh, speed at that point was of the essence. And this was exactly, of course, what we ourselves experienced, and everyone else.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=517.22,546.86"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd it is here in-- that Cuba and Shanghai come in, two very improbable places, places, uh, to which one would not have wanted to go, and places which were strictly regarded by everyone who went there-- the 6,000 or 7,000 who went to Cuba, 17-18,000 who went to Shanghai-- as places of transition, places from which you would then eventually get to the United States.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=546.86,569.72"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tMARIANNE VARGISH: In 1937, uh, my father and my mother supposedly went on a pleasure cruise to the United States. Uh, but I later found out that the reason they went was for my father, who was a doctor, to take his state board exams, which I understand he passed with flying colors. Um, the plan at that point was that uh, once he had his state boards, he would go to Cuba. And of course, at that time, since the, uh, German quota was filled, um, people were going to countries that had American quotas that were not filled. Cuba was one of those.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=569.72,616.02"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd I guess he expected that once he established residence, which I believe took three months-- I may be wrong on that figure-- that he would then direct-- he would come to the United States on the quota, and that the rest of the family would follow directly with all of our possessions to the United States. However, that's not exactly the way it happened. Because while he was in Cuba, of course, the McCarran Act was passed, and, um, which meant that he was now back on the German quota. The McCarran Act, of course, stated that, uh, you entered the United States on a quota of the country of your birth rather than the country of your residence.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=616.02,660.45"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tHANS FISHER: In any case, he ended up somewhere around the end of January, beginning of February in Havana, and immediately attempted to get, uh, the rest of, uh, our family, that is my mother, my sister, and I to, uh, come to, uh, Havana as well. With, uh the unfortunate occurrence of my falling ill with scarlet fever, and, uh, as a consequence of this illness, we were unable to leave until May, when we embarked on the St. Louis on May 13th.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=660.45,709.41"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tWALTER KARLINER: I-- I-- I felt sad. But my-- my parents, especially my mother, felt much worst. She felt much worst leaving Germany and our relatives that was behind, and whatever we-- my father and grandfather ever worked for. In fact, when the-- they got on the ship, and-- my mother cried quite a bit on the ship, especially when we left, when the ship started to move. On the-- there was-- on the ship, there was a orchestra, and they played Muss ich denn, muss ich denn, uh-- I must leave, I must leave my home. And the orchestra was playing that when we left.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=709.41,758.82"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tFRED BUFF: Getting onto the St. Louis was a-- a-- an unbelievable, exhilarating experience. Because it meant that, uh, we were able to-- to finally leave Germany. Even so, it was a German ship. We were somewhat apprehensive about leaving on a German ship, but we very assured once we left Hamburg, that, uh, once we were in-- in the open sea, it was international waters, and just the-- the-- the reas-- the-- this-- that the mere fact that it was a German flagship, uh, should not have, uh, uh, reminded us of coming from German soil.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=758.82,792.56"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tUh, the two weeks or 11 or 12 days that it took to get to Cuba were uh, really a-- a-- a-- a rather uh, jubilant experience for us in many ways. First of all, we were allowed to take with us a fairly large sum of currency, German marks. And since we were aware that once we had-- had to leave the ship, that none of it was allowed to be retained, we all made a sincere effort to spend every last nickel that we had.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=792.56,822.25"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tHERBERT KARLINER: The captain was exceptionally nice to us. Uh, like boys, we played all-- all over the place, running all over. We'd go on the-- on the bridge, and the captain was always very friendly. Captain Schroder was a very short man. I remember him well. And, uh, the crew, like I said before, was-- I had no-- we had no problem with them. We uh, we talked to them. They explained it to us how the ship works. Um, it was a pleasant voyage.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=822.25,860.17"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tWhen we came close to Cuba, we, uh, couldn't wait no more to get off the ship. We, uh, arrived in Havana about 8,10 days later. The exact date I no remember exactly. We stopped-- the ship stopped a little bit outside the harbor. And our relatives-- we had relatives already in Havana-- they came by with little boats and told us, manana, manana.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=860.17,893.41"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tThat was the first Spanish word we learned. It means tomorrow we will be-- get off the ship. Manana came, another manana. We were very-- all of a sudden we-- something was not right. We felt something was not exactly working right.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=893.41,915.49"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tMARIANNE VARGISH: Oh, that-- that is you know, something I will never forget. I was so anxious to see my father. I had not seen him for about eight months. And you know, for a nine-- a nine-year-old, that's a long time. It's an eternity. And I just couldn't wait. I was just so excited.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=915.49,935.98"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd then suddenly, there was this doom that fell over the ship, where, you know, we're out in the harbor, and we're not allowed to land. And when, you know, there was this anticipation of going up to land, and being reunited with someone you love very dearly. And I remember standing at that rail and looking down into the water, seeing all of these little rowboats upon rowboats upon rowboats with people in them, and trying to find where my father is.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=935.98,979.18"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tHERBERT KARLINER: Why was the delay? The Cuban police came up and, uh, didn't let us talk too much with the other boats around us. And after a while, we found out that those visas were not correct. The Cuban government don't want us in there.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=979.18,1004.32"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tMORRIS BRAFMAN: Little did they know that in the interim between their receiving the visa and their arrival in Havana, a change in the personnel of consuls and immigration officials had taken place. And first of all, what we found out subsequently, that the money which should have been shared by the consulate in Bremen and Hamburg with one of Batista's brother-in-laws has not been shared. And that created in Batista that revulsion, that he was misled, that treason was committed against him. And including a certain amount of anti-Semitism, including a certain amount of anti-Jewish propaganda which crept into the Batista press-- the communistic press was free of it-- the boat was just refused to disembark their passengers.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=1004.32,1067.29"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd then hell was loose. We formed a committee. We contacted our Cuban Jewish friends, some of the VIPs. We contacted the American colony of formerly German Jews Americanized, and formed somehow our delegation to go to Batista. I participated in the first meeting. We got a simple refusal. Under no circumstance will you permit it. The papers are all illegal. The ship has to go back to Germany.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=1067.29,1100.51"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tNow this was said to us, but how to convey that to the people on the boat was the most heart-breaking experience. But it couldn't be suppressed. They had to be told of Batista's decision. First of all, were there our children who with us went out on small boats. First few days, we told them everything would be all right. But finally, the children told them you will not be permitted to land. You will have to return to Germany. The answer, mass suicide if that should take place.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=1100.51,1143.63"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tHERBERT KARLINER: The situation got worse. People didn't talk no more. People were not happy anymore. We stopped playing. They told us that-- in the-- after fourth, fifth day, that we might have to move the ship out of the harbor, because it's too expensive to keep the ship in the harbor. There was a man from Breslau, a lawyer. His name was [? Loehy-- ?] [? Loehy, ?] I think. He had a son and daughter on the ship.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=1143.63,1180.3"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd I remember one day, I was on promenade deck. All of a sudden, somebody run out-- and the blood was s-- all over the place-- and jumped overboard. Everybody screamed. And a sailor was painting the chimney of that ship at the time saw somebody overboard and jumped in and rescued a man. This was a lawyer from Breslau who cut his vein, um, and jumped overboard. 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And then a boat came and they took him and the sailor aboard, and-- I-- I-- I thought maybe after that, people will realize what's happening and they would let us in probably, I don't know.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=1230.52,1261.58"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tLAURA MARGOLIS: Negotiations were on a three-- on three levels. The JDC in New York was working with the State Department to try to get the people into the United States. They were at the same time working with our representatives in Paris to unload passengers in Europe, but not allow the passengers to go back to Germany, where their fate was clear. And we were negotiating at that time in Havana with the Cuban authorities. It was all a matter of price.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=1261.58,1313.796"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tMORRIS BRAFMAN: I called the JOINT and they said they're way ahead-- we are way ahead of you, that a woman was on the way flying into Havana with a check for $500,000 in order to deposit with Batista, offered him to deposit $500 per person as a guarantee that the people won't fall subject to public charity until their visa and that the JOINT will support them in the meantime so they are not worse off than the 4,000 already there. If I'm not mistaken, it was Laura Margolis, but I couldn't swear by it. She arrived, and she went herself to Batista, and came back telling us the bleak and black and sad news that Batista said no. After that, we were dumbfounded.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=1313.796,1365.712"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tLAURA MARGOLIS: Now one of the things that we did-- we did get permission from the Cuban authorities to send someone on the ship so that people would know that they are not entirely at the mercy of just the Cubans or the Americans or the Europeans, that we as representatives of the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee were working for them. And we finally got this permit, and my colleague who was with me at the time, Milton Goldsmith, went onboard a number of times and met with the passengers. And we kept them informed daily of what the negotia-- of what negotiations were in New York, what the answers were. We asked them to form a committee to meet with Mr. Goldsmith.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=1365.712,1423.15"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd I think for the duration, he went on every day, met with them, kept them informed, and then came back and went on the next day. Uh, the saddest day of all, of course, was when he had to go on and say that we couldn't land them in Havana. We couldn't land them in the United States. 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And, uh, I think it was the president of the Joint Distribution Committee-- and I'm not certain that this-- that was his title-- addressed us, and assured us that continue-- continued negotiations were-- were being conducted, that this was a temporary setback that we have had to leave Havana harbor. However, he was very confident, uh, that we would be back, eh, before, uh, uh, many days had passed, and uh, that, uh, it was, uh, uh, expedient for the ship to leave Havana harbor for reasons unbeknown to us.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=1451.15,1502.894"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t[MUSIC PLAYING]\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=1502.894,1505.876"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=1505.876,1544.66"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tHERBERT KARLINER: After the eighth day in Havana-- in harbor of Havana-- we get the message that we have to move out. We will cruise close to the Florida strait till we get the permission to come in to Havana, to Cuba. In meantime, the rumors get around that we will be landing at the Island of Pines, somebody will let us in, the Cuban government will let us in. We didn't care, we--we just wanted to get off the ship. Because we know what will happen to us if we go back to Germany with the ship.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=1544.66,1581.15"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tThat was all false rumors. We were trying to go to, um, Dominican Republic, to Haiti, to Mexico. Some rumor came even that a very wealthy Jewish Texan from Texas had the island close by in the, uh-- close to the States, and will let us in on that island. Well, anyway, nothing came out of it.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=1581.15,1614.02"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERTRUDE MENDELS: We left on a Friday morning Havana, and cruised north, uh, a whole day, we-- very slow. We arrived Sunday morning on the coast of Miami, and cruised up and down. And I think we even lay still, and there was some fishing going on. Because I remember somebody called me, show me a, em, a sha-- a-- a shark. We saw sharks going around.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=1614.02,1642.87"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd then one night-- I told you there were telegrams on the, uh, uh, onboard, which we read. I don't know-- I don't think I have the special one I have in mind. At night, we could compare the stars. This is the direction we took. And the direction wasn't exactly coinciding with what was told.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=1642.87,1665.86"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tFRED HILB: I was 19 years old at the time, and a fairly happy young person. And I didn't ascribe, uh, a great deal of, uh, importance to this until I felt that I was actually being physically threatened. And, uh, when we started to leave the harbor and cruise up the, uh, American coast near Miami and the Coast Guard cutter came out to make sure nobody jumped overboard and tried to swim ashore, which a good swimmer probably could have accomplished if the sharks would have let him, uh.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=1665.86,1717.27"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd I happened to have a compass with me too. And I knew what direction we were going in. And I don't remember exactly how many days we were cruising up and down the coast. But, uh, I noticed at one time, thanks to my compass, that we were heading in a northeasterly direction. 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And it-- and it impressed me so-- so much that I was always hoping that someday I go back there.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=1741.876,1779.066"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tMARIANNE VARGISH: Somehow I grew up with the idea of America is something wonderful. And you know, uh, I do remember my father talking about going to America, that someday we're going to America. That I do remember. And I always remember that as being, you know, the ultimate. America's wonderful, wonderful! So when I saw the coast of Florida, I could see the cars. I could see the lights of the buildings at night lit up.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=1779.066,1815.88"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tI thought, well, maybe-- maybe we're going to America. And I think that was a lot of other people's hopes at that point. Um, and I think there was a feeling of-- oh, this, you know, land-- we're going to land. But then the Coast Guard ships told us to move on. And there was a real, real sadness in being so close again, and yet so far.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=1815.88,1852.55"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tFRED BUFF: We couldn't understand why America, the big land that it is, and, uh, being aware of our, uh-- of our, uh, unbelievable circumstance having been to Cuba, and having been forced to leave Cuba, why we weren't allowed to land in the United States at that time. And, uh, uh, all of us, uh, had relatives in the United States. Well, most of us had relatives in the United States. And we were aware that, uh, uh, people had been immigrating to the US, and we were aware of the quota system, but that the government, uh, for 1,000 people who were in-- in dire risk of being returned to Europe-- that the government of the United States did not intervene on our behalf was something that we could never understand.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=1852.55,1903.437"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tUh, after cruising up and down the coast for five or six days, we, uh, were given the word that an island off Cuba, uh, was made available as a temporary refuge to us. The ship turned around, headed back to Cuba, but only for a matter of hours when apparently, what-- what appeared to be successful negotiations to have us disembarked there of-- eh, were discontinued, or turned into, uh, uh, an unsuccessful set of circumstances. And the ship again turned, and from there on, uh, we headed straight for Europe.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=1903.437,1940.96"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERTRUDE MENDELS: I will tell you one thing. We all kind had in back of our minds we would be allowed to land in North America, because, uh, we thought 900 people say this big country could accommodate 900 people, even if they would put us into a ca-- a camp. And-- and there was-- eh, Roosevelt got a wire, I think, twice. He never-- I was told by my source said he did not even think it necessary to answer.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=1940.96,1971.69"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd it's the time that king of England and the queen were visiting in America, and we thought maybe. But somebody else said well, it's a foreign secretary, and he's-- has his secretaries also. You know, lo-- who look always, I think he could have had the courtesy of answering.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=1971.69,1987.47"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tFRED HILB: During that time there were daily bulletins, and there were conferences. And, uh, they assured us that everything is being done to assure our uh, safe haven somewhere. There were-- I don't know all the negotiations that went on. I don't remember, and I didn't know then. Uh, one thing I do remember, that the young people such as myself were asked to stand guard at night, that people shouldn't commit suicide, jump overboard, and do all these things. And we sort of had watches on deck that, uh-- uh, to prevent this.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=1987.47,2032.975"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tFRED BUFF: People were desperate, absolutely desperate. They were willing to do anything, as I said earlier, including many of them to commit suicide before they would ever sets-- set soil-- set foot on German soil again. So that's why they met in small groups. They make their own plans, including we as young people. We, uh, armed ourselves as best we could with knives and forks out of the dining room, that if we had to, that we would just take over the folks and left the ship. 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Just before we arrived in, uh, Cherbourg, before we arrived at English coast, I understand the community-- the comm-- committee, Joint Distribution Committee, was working with other countries and couldn't get no visa for us to go in.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2097.114,2143.98"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tHANS FISHER: I remember acting, at least, rather stoically uh, in the face of all this, and kind of, you know-- now in retrospect, thinking all these adults can't really cope with this, but that somehow there was going to be a solution found, and that the best thing to do would be to try and remain calm and just not get hysterical, and that-- that certainly wasn't going to help anything. I had certainly no answers to any of the very weighty questions.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2143.98,2183.58"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tIn a sense, I'm sure I was influenced also by my friend. Because if you recall, I had indicated he came from Brussels. And, uh, I think that he had a great calming influence on me. Because he kept telling me the worst that could happen is that, uh, we could surely go back to Brussels. And as it turned out, whether this was just being prescient or not, but that's-- the Belgians were the ones who made the first move that made it possible for the boat not to return to Germany.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2183.58,2222.655"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tWALTER KARLINER: We heard that about 220, 250 people would be able to land in Belgium, 250 would land in Holland, 250 would land-- about, you know, a quarter-- in France and England. So when we heard that, we-- it was very happy about it. This was-- this was-- it was a v-- a very good, very happy moment for all of us.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2222.655,2262.97"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: Was it true?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2262.97,2264.75"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tWALTER KARLINER: It was true, yeah.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2264.75,2271.56"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tMORRIS BRAFMAN: Finally, we landed in the four countries, only to be overrun in Belgium and France when Hitler marched in-- in and conquered within days, and to be bombed in Great Britain. Holland, a-- a certain percentage had immediate access to American visas, arrived here. But I--I would guess that 80% of the total population really died, normal or abnormal. Most of them were elderly people. And, uh, had-- heartrending correspondence between the children in Cuba and the parents in these countries I was a witness to.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2271.56,2315.66"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tBut it was the first-- first alarming signal that really, nobody wants us, that we are a homeless people, and that made St. Louis that chapter of shame to America, to Roosevelt, to Jewish organizations, to human society, to be, uh, overshadowed by happenings which later on. But it was surely a signal to the world to take notice.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2315.66,2360.566"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tPETER GAY: We have to remember the immense arbitrariness that was introduced here, once again, by the sense of haste on the one side, and the sense of not being welcomed anywhere on the other. Uh, if you think of other large migrations, uh, southern Italians coming to America, or Polish Jews following the pogrom coming to America, or German political refugees after 1848, again, coming here, all this followed a certain orderly pattern. You knew where you wanted to go.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2360.566,2387.71"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tIt was-- it was very hard, and there was much, much suffering, but you knew where you wanted to go. You had some vague sense of what would await you there. And anyway, you were heading more or less directly towards a goal. Although even then, of course, people in 1948 or afterwards would get stranded here and there, uh, Polish Jews coming through Germany sometimes staying in Germany and so on. But at least there was something more-- what should I call planned about this.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2387.71,2414.68"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tThis has an air of-- of a-- a very bizarre kind of set of events. And therefore, it's very hard to-- to summarize, really, even what it felt like. Because the issue ultimately, by the spring of '39, was it-- it was better to go to Shanghai then not to go at all anywhere. Remote as Shanghai was-- seemed and was-- it was a place. It was away, in fact, it was far away, which had its-- had its advantages. And so from that point of view, I think the main emotion of somebody that made up his mind, had secured passage, had enough money to get there, was to go and the rest would more or less take care of itself.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2414.68,2450.46"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd so in that sense, I think the German atmosphere which I talked about earlier changed very drastically in the space of let's say a year, a year and a half, beginning with early '38, mid '38, right down to the spring of '39. And at this point, events really, um, there was a kind of feeling of an avalanche rather than something else. And I think this, again, gives you the sense of arbitrariness. You say, why Shanghai? The answer is why not? If it's open, why not?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2450.46,2477.337"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t[MUSIC PLAYING]\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2477.337,2480.76"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2480.76,2493.99"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tEGON HENNER: When my father booked passage, uh, to go to Shanghai, we booked passage on a Japanese ship. I remember the name, [? Hakataki ?] Maru. And the ship docked either in Naples, Marseilles, or London. We attempted to get a transit visa to London, because that, in a way, was the closest from Berlin. The British turned us down. They wouldn't issue a transit visa in order to board the ship.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2493.99,2524.53"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tThen we turned to the French, and asked for a transit route to go to Marseilles. Because we felt there was very little chance to get a transit visa to Italy, because Italy, after all, was a fascist country. And Italy was the country that finally did give us the transit visa. We went over the, uh-- through the Alps, uh, into southern Italy and Naples, and boarded the ship in Naples.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2524.53,2547.75"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tUh, that's the way the world treated the Jews. So for us to have been able to get out-- and that was the only place there was in 1938, with the exception of some people who had papers, or spent a lot of money, or had relatives who-- who brought them into the country, there just was no place to go.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2547.75,2568.11"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERDA ARBEIT : There was nowhere.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2568.11,2568.81"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t[INTERPOSING VOICES]\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2568.81,2568.93"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERDA ARBEIT : Nowhere, my father--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2568.93,2569.236"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tEGON HENNER: If you wanted to get out, you had to go to Shanghai.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2569.236,2571.27"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERDA ARBEIT : --went to every consulate that there was. There wasn't one place. And if he hadn't met a man who was in the same business-- a-- prior to that, my father had gone to the Swedish consulate, where they did say they would let us in. There was one condition. We had to convert. And that was out of the question. They took Jews and converted them. They didn't evidently want an influx of Jews at the time. And that was out of the question.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2571.27,2601.21"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tMy father met this man, and he said, I'm going to Shanghai. And my father said, Shanghai? What's in Shanghai? He says, buy yourself a ticket. If they get-- give an exit visa, you're free to go. And when my father came home and told my mother that we're going to go to Shanghai, my mother started to cry, and she didn't stop crying for approximately six months after that. The-- the thought of going to Shanghai frightened her so. She thought only criminals went to Shanghai.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2601.21,2628.48"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tDAVID KRANZLER: To understand the entire Shanghai Jewish experience-- one of the most amazing episodes of the Holocaust. It was 17,000 to 18,000 Jewish refugees found a haven in this East Asian port. You have to really understand the Japanese, one of Hitler's Axis partners, their history, their mentality, and the way they looked at Jews and the Jewish problem.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2628.48,2658.6"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tIn order to do that, we have to go back awhile to really, the first impression of the Japanese-- the first impression that the Japanese had of Jews. Because until this day, most Japanese don't know what a Jew is. However, the more intellectual ones will tell you if you're a Jew, you must be rich and you must be smart. How did they get that view? And what little uh, they do know, where did they get the picture from?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2658.6,2686.53"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tWell, in 1904 and '05 during the Russo-Japanese War, when Japan was trying to show the Western world that it would not be cowed like China was, that it would stand up for its rights, the Japanese attempted to finance this struggle with the Russian giant, and attempted to float loans in Europe-- London was the financial capital at the time-- and as well, to get recognition by Western powers of its legitimate rights as an independent nation. It tried to float the loans through bankers, the usual sources.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2686.53,2726.73"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd the finance minister at the time, head of the-- the Bank of Japan, wa-- failed in his mission. And he was about to give up and go back, really, in despair to Japan. Because nobody really gave, uh, much credence to the fact that Ja-- Japan, which had just emerged from the feudal stage, started industrializing and westernizing, could stand up in a struggle with Russia, no matter how slow Russia might be in getting uh, back at this little-- this little nation.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2726.73,2761.14"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd it was the last banquet, so to speak, before he was to return to-- to Japan that Takahashi, this president of the Bank of Japan, spoke to the gentleman sitting next to him, Jacob Schiff, who was at that time the head of Kuhn, Loeb, and Company, the financial, uh, corporation in the United States, the grandfather of Dorothy Schiff, who was publisher of \u003ci\u003eThe\u003c/i\u003e \u003ci\u003eNew\u003c/i\u003e \u003ci\u003eYork\u003c/i\u003e \u003ci\u003ePost,\u003c/i\u003e and give him his tale of woe about Japan's desire to seek recognition and money in its struggle with Russia. Well, Schiff listened very carefully to Takahashi's story. Didn't say very much. But the next morning, he got in touch with him, and told him I'll take care of floating your loans.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2761.14,2808.29"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAt that time, it was a question of 10 million pounds, perhaps the equivalent today of half a billion dollars. He was willing to take the chance of granting loans to Japan as a Jew to help Japan in its fight against Russia. Because Russia was persecuting its citizens, its fellow-- his fellow Jews who lived there. And Schiff, because of his work on behalf of Japan, was honored by the emperor himself, the very first one to get that honor. And until this day, the name Schiff is an honor and a revered one among the Japanese.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2808.29,2847.23"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tNow the Japanese didn't know what Jews were, but they knew that Schiff was a Jew. And through some circles, it got around that Schiff, uh, helped with his loan because he was a Jew. And they also realized that Schiff had connections in Germany and England, financial connections which helped him float the various international loans on behalf of Japan. And so a picture was, uh, drawn in the minds of the Japanese of the Jew, the financial, the international Jewish banker who's capable of dealing on a vast scale for a particular purpose.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2847.23,2885.05"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tLAURA MARGOLIS: Well, I didn't know much about China. And I don't think I had any idea of what I was facing. I was told to go, and I went. Uh, it was a shock to me, first of all, because of the terrible conditions of the Chinese people themselves. And then when I saw and visited the camps in which the refugees were being housed, which were just old English barracks over in the Japanese-occupied part of Shanghai, which was called Hongkou. I couldn't believe my own eyes.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2885.05,2950.65"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tOf course in retrospect, when one thinks of the camps in Europe, which I saw much later on, this was not so terrible, but this was my first. Families, men, women, children, aged, sick, were all housed in these barracks. Tiers of beds, barely enough passage between the rows. No privacy. Hygiene was very bad. And there they were.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2950.65,2994.36"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERDA ARBEIT : When we arrived in Shanghai and we came off the boat, and we saw this bombed out place that they were taking us to, it-- it really was a terrifying sight. You know, the Japanese had fought the Chinese. And they took us into the, um, suburbs where we lived, where eventually, the ghetto was, where we-- we were put. There wasn't a building standing. Everything was bombed out. And my mother just cried incessantly, and she refused to unpack.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=2994.36,3025.74"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd, uh, but of course, after a while, I went to school, and things sort of settled into a normal-- what you could call normal in Shanghai-- a routine. And luckily my father, who was a prisoner of war during World War I in Russia, spoke Russian, and connected with a lot of Russian people that, uh, uh, lived in China from-- you know, from the revolution in Russia. And opened a business, and things at first were, you know, very difficult.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=3025.74,3057.57"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tBut they got a lot better until 1941, when the United States went to war with, uh, Ja-- excuse me-- with Japan. After that, the-- you know, the ghetto became a reality. The Japanese, you know, put us all into the-- what they called the designated area. And we had to leave the homes we were in. Some people, uh, lived like in the, uh, settlement-- in the French settlement, or in the international. And they had to move into that area.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=3057.57,3086.82"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tLAURA MARGOLIS: It must have been the beginning of October that I got a telephone call from New York to Manila saying, we have just come from our State Department. You can go back to Shanghai. It'll be perfectly safe. There will be no war in the Far East. And you are given full authorization to reorganize the welfare program, at which point I said, I'll go back, but on condition that you send out help. Because I cannot do this job alone.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=3086.82,3123.72"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tThey promised me help, and they did. They sent out Mr. Manny Siegel, with whom I had been working in Havana, and who was prepared to come out and help. I went back to Shanghai. Mr. Siegel arrived on December 1st, 1941. We were planning to go out and start a reorganization of the welfare program on December 7th. We never got there.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=3123.72,3157.24"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tThe Japan-- at the same time-- of course, it was December 8th, 1941 in Shanghai. On the very same day that the Japanese struck at Pearl Harbor, we were awakened in our hotel, which was right on the waterfront, with all the Allied ships burning in the harbor, and the strafing of Shanghai, and the Japanese walking over the bridge and occupying the city. We were in our hotel. We were told by radio that enemy nationals were being asked not to move.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=3157.24,3199.24"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tEGON HENNER: Uh, one of the things that the Japanese did, uh, when they issued the proclamation which forced us to move into a designated area, there were a lot of people that had moved out of the-- uh, the area was called Hongkou-- had moved out of Hongkou, had lived in the international settlement, had-- were very well-established, and they now had to move into to the area. And for the second time in a relative short period of time, what they had built up, they practically lost again. Because obviously, when you're forced to move, the others take advantage of it.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=3199.24,3233.778"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tUh, and the Japanese managed to concentrate us around two areas. One was a huge oil depot for the-- to support the army. And the other one was a radio station or a radio transmitter which blocked uh, American communication. And they managed to concentrate the refugees around these two areas in the hope that ultimately, the Allied or the United States would not bomb. 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They weren't wanted. I can't remember so much excitement about the Jewish refugees as I've been hearing about the boat people. And I think it's terrible what's going on with the boat people. But the doors have been opened here in the United States. They're in England, they're on Continent. I'm glad, I'm glad for them. 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It was difficult, just as anti-Nazi policy in the 1930s was difficult, uh, across the world, which was disarmed and had the lessons of World War I, real or imagined, before it. But at the same time, the urgency was great. Uh, the right to asylum was overwhelming. And the response was at best, tepid and, uh, bureaucratic.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898#t=3398.17,3432.28"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/26742/file/93898/transcript/16786/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tNow there's one kind of irony, an ironic twist to this, which also strikes me, as I think back. And that is that because of the events of the St. Louis, because of Shanghai and other places, we are now, I think, a little more cautious before we turn people back. And that certainly is all-- all to the good. 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