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He relates his struggle for the rights of the Danzig Jews; the successful WJC campaign in 1938 against the anti-Semitic government of Romania; his responsibility to inform WJC officials in Geneva and New York of wartime atrocities; and his sources of information about Nazi medical experiments, deportations, and plans for total extermination in summer 1942. He describes the unwillingness of the allied governments, the Vatican, and the Red Cross to accept or publicize Hitler's plans; his views on the reason for this and for the Allied failure to bomb Auschwitz; and his efforts to solicit money for rescue attempts. Mr. R. also tells of his postwar involvement with displaced persons camps. (Abstract)","This testimony is open with permission. (Conditions Governing Access)","Copyright has been transferred to the Fortunoff Video Archive for Holocaust Testimonies. Use of this testimony requires permission of the Fortunoff Video Archive. (Conditions Governing Use)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["1980-05-21 (creation)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Holocaust Survivors Film Project (Producer)","R., Gerhart, 1911-2001 (Interviewee)","R, Gerhart (1338) (Interviewee)","Vlock, Laurel (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["3 Videocassettes (3/4\" U-Matic)","2:24:08 duration_HH_MM_SS_mmm"]}},{"label":{"en":["Subject"]},"value":{"en":["R., Gerhart, 1911-2001 (Person or Corporate Body)","World Jewish Congress (Person or Corporate Body)","Video tapes (topical)","Men (topical)","Holocaust, Jewish (1939-1945) -- Personal narratives (topical)","World War, 1939-1945 -- Personal narratives, Jewish (topical)","Jews -- Migrations (topical)","World War, 1939-1945 -- Jews -- Rescue (topical)","World War, 1939-1945 -- Refugees (topical)","Germany (geographic)","Berlin (Germany) (geographic)","Geneva (Switzerland) (geographic)","Oral histories (document genres) (genre_form)","Lawyers (topical)","Refugee camps (topical)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Coverage"]},"value":{"en":["Jerusalem, Israel : (Place of Recording)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English (Primary)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Identifier"]},"value":{"en":["mssa.hvt.0764 (EAD ID)","752882 (Orbis bib)"]}}],"summary":{"en":["Videotape testimony of Gerhart R., who was born in Berlin. He discusses his pre-1933 career as a junior lawyer and state employee in Berlin; his dismissal when Hitler came to power; his departure from Germany in 1933; and his post as legal secretary for the newly created World Jewish Congress (WJC) in Geneva. He relates his struggle for the rights of the Danzig Jews; the successful WJC campaign in 1938 against the anti-Semitic government of Romania; his responsibility to inform WJC officials in Geneva and New York of wartime atrocities; and his sources of information about Nazi medical experiments, deportations, and plans for total extermination in summer 1942. He describes the unwillingness of the allied governments, the Vatican, and the Red Cross to accept or publicize Hitler's plans; his views on the reason for this and for the Allied failure to bomb Auschwitz; and his efforts to solicit money for rescue attempts. Mr. R. also tells of his postwar involvement with displaced persons camps.","This testimony is open with permission.","Copyright has been transferred to the Fortunoff Video Archive for Holocaust Testimonies. 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We want start, Mr. Riegner, by asking you to give your name and where you were born and your life, a little bit, in Germany, before the Nazi regime.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=36.281,52.97"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: I am Gerhart\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=52.97,53.89"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tRiegner. I am born in Berlin. I went to school in Berlin. I studied at various universities in Heidelberg, Freiburg, and Berlin. I made my state examinations in law and became what is called in German a Gerichtsreferendar, which a new lawyer at the tribunal who assists the judge, but cannot yet write the judgments himself.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=53.89,105.23"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tWhen Hitler came to power in 1933, I was such a referendar at the Amtsgericht Wedding in Berlin. And on the 1st of April, 1933, we were all dismissed as state employees, state, uh, persons in the employment of the state. We were not dismissed definitely, but suspended. And the dismissal came later, when I wasn't anymore in Germany.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=105.23,152.62"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tI decided immediately when Hitler came to power that I would leave Germany.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=152.62,162.176"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: Were you married or were you a single person, or--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=162.176,165.38"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: My family, uh, my father was a lawyer in Berlin. On the 1st of April, he was dismissed as a lawyer. My older sister was a teacher in high school in Frankfurt am Mein and was dismissed on the 1st of April as a teacher. I said, I, myself was dismissed as a young, uh, lawyer at the tribunal, assistant judge. My youngest sister was still in school.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=165.38,202.04"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tSo the career of f-- four of members of my family of five was completely changed from one day to the other. Now, I was always personally interested in politics, and I was always interested in, uh, Jewish affairs. I have, uh, two kinds of, uh, what should I say? Heritage. The heritage, Jewish heritage, and political heritage.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=202.04,239.8"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tMy father was associated as [with] a member of the Reichstag as a social democratic deputy, was a minister of justice in 1919-- '18 during the revolution. My mother was active in the Democratic Party, the great tradition, Jewishly, in my family, is that my grandmother was a Lewandowski, descendant from the famous cantor Louis Lewandowski, who was the founder of the modern synagogue music.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=239.8,284.63"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd his son-in-law was a famous Jewish-- German-Jewish philosopher, Hermann Cohen, who was the, uh, founder of neo-Kantian school of philosophy, and at the same time, one of the classical authors of modern Jewish writing. His \u003ci\u003eReligion\u003c/i\u003e \u003ci\u003eof\u003c/i\u003e \u003ci\u003eReason\u003c/i\u003e \u003ci\u003eFrom\u003c/i\u003e \u003ci\u003ethe\u003c/i\u003e \u003ci\u003eSources\u003c/i\u003e \u003ci\u003eof\u003c/i\u003e \u003ci\u003eJudaism\u003c/i\u003e is one of the classics of modern Jewish writing.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=284.63,316.73"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tSo you see, I have, uh, influences on all sides, which, uh, probably predestined the career which I finally have chosen.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=316.73,330.77"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: When you decided to leave Germany, this must have been a wrench? I mean, you have long heritage in Germany. Did you leave by yourself? With other members of your family? And where did you go?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=330.77,343.08"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Well, I think, uh, uh, the decision which I took, it was of course, um, based on a political sentiment, political understanding of what was going on. Uh, I saw, as a young man of 20 or 21, that, uh, this was the end of German Jewry. I remember very clearly the last day which I spent in Germany. It was a celebration of the 50th birthday of a good friend of our family. When we were all there for this celebration, when I saw, there, for-- practically, for the last time all the friends of my family and relations and so on. And I remember that evening, when I took leave from everybody, going--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=343.08,414.27"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: When-- when was this, sir? What--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=414.27,416.01"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: This was the 16th or 17th of May, 1933. And we-- and I pleaded. There's dozens of them. At least, to allow their children to leave Germany. Now, uh, very few believed, then, that at that time, and very few allowed. But I have never forgotten-- forgotten this last evening when I told them, don't you see that this is the end of German Jewry?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=416.01,459.26"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tNow, why did I believe this? First of all, we had witnessed what was going on in Germany and how the whole Nazi period prepared itself. I was personally involved as a student in some of these fights. I studied, as I mentioned before, several terms in the south-- in southern Germany. And I recall my first term in Freiburg-im-Bresgau and my third term in Heidelberg. There, elections to the student body still took place. In Prussia and Berlin and other places, this was already stopped, because the Nazis had earned, everywhere, majority in these bodies. In southern Germany, these fights still-- these elections still took place. And I took an active part in some of these elections.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=459.26,533.56"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd I knew practically from day-to-day work, how the Nazis were organized, how they tried to, uh, brutally-- to throw us out from the universities. I recall an incense-- incident in the university in Berlin, when they stormed one of the make halls, uh, auditoriums of a Jewish professor and tried to chase him out and all the Jewish, uh, students. And we were forced to jump through the windows in order to avoid clash with somebody. Didn't want to be beaten up. They were in such, uh, overwhelming majority. There was no sense of resisting.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=533.56,593.48"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tNow, this we knew. This I lived through. The great, uh, mistake, which was made in 1933, both by the Germans and by the German Jews, and finally, also, by the, uh, foreign countries, was not to understand the character of the Nazi movement and what has happened. The majority of the people, Germans and non-Germans, believed that this was an episode that was a passing period. This wouldn't last very long. Uh, let them be in power. They will have to show what they can do. And we will survive this.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=593.48,654.24"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tOne of my last discussions in Berlin, a few days before I left, was a discussion was a non-Jewish professor in Berlin who was one of the top, uh, specialists in constitutional law, public law, at the Berlin university, who pleaded with me not to emigrate. This cannot last. This was a German nationalist, not a Nazi, but a German nationalist. These people cannot last. You know that I am not a Nazi, but I am a German, and you know my, uh, convictions.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=654.24,705.4"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd, uh, he pleaded for an hour and a half. And I must say, he said, one of the things which nobody else ever said to me, and that was, you know what immigration means. That's a terrible thing. And thanks, God, nobody told me what immigration means, and nobody told others what immigration means, because that's one of the most terrible things which someone has to go through when one decides to leave one's country.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=705.4,739.3"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tNeither the Germans, I said, nor the German Jews, nor the foreign countries, understood the character of the Nazis. They believed this would, uh, they would use the democratic world and, uh, this would be a passing thing. They never understood the brutality, the complete uh, a-- uh, uh, the complete ignoring of any moral, basic, fundamental principles. They u-- they-- they didn't understand that this was a ruthless group, power-hungry, out to dominate first Germany and then Europe and then the world.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=739.3,791.95"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: I find this perplexing. I've asked this question many times. The book, \u003ci\u003eMein\u003c/i\u003e \u003ci\u003eKampf,\u003c/i\u003e was a-- an outline, a-- a map of what he was going to do.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=791.95,806.47"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Yes.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=806.47,806.8"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: Yet you say and others say they-- no one understood the ruthlessness of this man and his followers.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=806.8,814.59"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Mm. You're absolutely right, and it's a-- it is terribly difficult to understand why nobody believed what he said and what the people said. And not only what the people said, what he did. Let's not forget that when I left in 1933, in May, this means three or four months, 3 and 1/2 months, after he came to power. He came to power on the 13th of January. February, March, April.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=814.59,850.17"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tOn the 1st of April, I decided that I would certainly go, and I had to wait a few weeks to arrange my, uh, affairs, and, uh, because I felt at a certain moment my parents were in danger. We was living in a house, a little bit isolated, and there was a, uh, [? [GERMAN], ?] you know, uh, of the Nazis who, uh, tried to intimidate us. And so--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=850.17,876.93"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tBut then I decided to go. Now, in-- when I left, I said, after three months, I knew one, that there were concentration camps. Everybody knew it. Don't tell me that this was found out after the war. Look up your papers. In 1933, look at the \u003ci\u003eNew\u003c/i\u003e \u003ci\u003eYork\u003c/i\u003e \u003ci\u003eTimes.\u003c/i\u003e L-- look at the \u003ci\u003eLondon\u003c/i\u003e \u003ci\u003eTimes.\u003c/i\u003e Look at the-- the [INAUDIBLE]. Look at all the papers. I knew where they knew concentration camps were. There was Oranienburg and there was Sachsenhausen. There was not yet, uh, uh, Auschwitz. This not. They didn't get killed, the people, systematically. They killed them individually and tortured them.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=876.93,928.46"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tI knew when I was a-- I-- when I left, that, uh, the-- the-- the, uh, house, which was before, uh, in the hands of the Communist Party, there was a printing press in the-- their-- their party headquarters. The house was used as a torture chamber of the Nazis. And there, they brought the people in the cellars and tortured them. This was known.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=928.46,964.306"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tUh, when-- in-- on-- on-- on February-- I don't remember the exact date, 25 or something, the-- the Reichstag, the German parliament, was burned. I knew this was the Nazis, and not Mr. van der Lubbe, or what they made the-- believe. Anybody who had some political understanding or political education could know this. There's nothing new.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=964.306,993.82"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tThe treatment of the Jews on the 1st of April was obvious. They organized in the whole of the country a boycott of the Jews. Before every Jewish uh, shop, before every Jewish lawyer's office, before every Jewish dentist's office, before every Jewish uh, uh, doctor's office, and so on and so on. There was an SS, uh, uh, guard or two and prevented people to get in or to get out with a p-- poster, uh, inviting people to boycott the Jews.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=993.82,1038.579"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tWhile did this went on, we saw the parades in the streets. We saw that-- how some individual Jewish men are thrown by-- by the hairs in the streets, and-- and incited, and I don't know what. This all happened before our eyes. This was already in the beginning, in 1933.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1038.579,1058.77"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tNow, the world cannot- cannot tell me that they didn't know [INAUDIBLE], but they didn't understand that they would go uh, uh, to-- to the end of their-- their dream of power. And they should. I mean, I have not know the time to give you the-- [CHUCKLES] the history of the Nazi movement, but the characteristics, they're clear.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1058.77,1083.25"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd I, as a young boy, a young man, I-- I understood it. I saw. I was convinced. I did not [INAUDIBLE] when I said, at the end of the Germ-- of German Jewry was there, I didn't believe, and I didn't imagine extermination at Auschwitz. This, at this time, nobody had in his mind. But th-- th-- there was no future for Jews. There was no future for young Jews, that the, uh, young Jews had to leave, and this was our-- our theory. We had, of course, we were also-- in error.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1083.25,1118.44"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tMy family said, all right, you'll go to first, and then you try to get a job, and so on. And we-- we come after. Now, we had illusions how easy it was to get jobs and to bring a-- the others after, and so on. But this was-- the concept was the right concept, of course. And there were Jews who understood it. A man like Rabbi Prince, Joachim Prinz who is in-- living in this country, uh, uh, was one of those who, uh, uh, courageously, every Friday evening in the services, in his temple, preached to the young Jews, get out. But unfortunately, the majority of the Jews didn't understand.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1118.44,1160.36"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tNow, neither the Germans understood it nor [CHUCKLES] the-- the-- the-- the German Jews understood it. Nobody--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1160.36,1165.81"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: You keep saying that. You keep saying the Germans didn't understand it.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1165.81,1169.29"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Yeah.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1169.29,1169.605"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: You're implying something. I'm-- I'd like to understand what that means, that the Germans didn't understand it, the Germ--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1169.605,1175.6"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: [SHARP INHALE]\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1175.6,1176.79"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: Which Germans didn't understand?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1176.79,1178.17"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Well, I gave you the example of the professor, for instance, who was a very decent German. But told me, don't leave. This cannot last. Uh, the-- the, uh, Germans, uh, didn't resist. [INAUDIBLE]. Or those that resisted at least they didn't resist strongly enough. This is a great tragedy. Probably, it was too late in '33. Probably in '32 it could have still been done.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1178.17,1213.8"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tBut could, many, many Germans certainly had illusions about this-- this regime. And they said to me, don't forget this was a Germany in a big crisis. And in fact, in-- in three crisis. There was a political crisis. There was an economic crisis. And there was a social crisis. And the combination of the three made Hitler possible.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1213.8,1246.74"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tThe political crisis was the, uh, terrible experience of the disappearance of the Kaiserreich for the Germans. I'm not speaking awful for you and me. For the K-- for the German bourgeoisie, for the German people, the complete, uh, disaster, uh, for nearly-- near victory, to complete, uh, uh, defeat, which the Germans afterwards never wanted to admit. And they always tried to say there was a treason, and it was not, uh--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1246.74,1289.38"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tBut in the-- the acceptance of the conditions of the Treaty of Versailles, which the Germans considered as a humiliation of. And this created a deep political crisis, which in the 15 years or what, of the Wiemar Republic, was never overcome.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1289.38,1310.24"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tThe economic crisis, starting with, uh, in 1929, was a big crisis here. But, uh, the big crisis which developed after the Wall Street. uh, uh, how did you call it?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1310.24,1329.67"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: Crash.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1329.67,1330.0"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Crash. Wall Street crash, and, uh, had enormous precautions all over Europe, of course. And in Germany, had the special significance when it came after the German inflation, where a great part of the-- of the people, and of the bourgeoisie and the small bourgeoisie, had really lost their reserves. They really paid in the inflation the loss of the First World War. This is what was happening. But this, they-- they didn't want to admit. They just realized that they had lost their-- their-- their reserves and their fortune, and so on.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1330.0,1374.82"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tNow, the economic crisis falling upon a country which has not since these reserves was, of course, terrible. And there were terrible repercussions. And for Jews, then, uh, seven million unemployed. Now, seven million unemployed? Uh, this produced the third crisis. That means the social crisis. The whole German small bourgeoisie, which was absolutely ruled in this economic crisis, struggled against what-- what we call the proletarianization of this class. They didn't want to be workers. They didn't want to be proletarians.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1374.82,1424.59"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd they jumped on Hitler, who promised them to resurrect Germany, to find the, uh, new dignity for the Germans, to find jobs, and so on and so on. It is the small bourgeoisie. It's not the royals and the-- the-- the workers. And you look at the-- at the votes for Hitler, it's from there that great wave came and nearly-- of w-- where he got the support.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1424.59,1458.68"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tNow, this, and-- and-- and he used all this, with his, uh, antisemitic policies, which he was, uh, imbued of with-- in-- since his youth in Vienna. And-- and-- and the party showed, there is a scapegoat. This was the foreign enemy, and this-- this scapegoat. And if this is disappearing, then everything will be all right. This was the force of the argument.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1458.68,1488.71"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tNow, the-- the-- I said something, which you didn't take up this, uh, I said the foreign countries didn't understand what was happening. The foreign countries made all the concessions to Hitler, which they had refused to the, uh, uh, Democratic governments in Germany. This was the third tragedy. And they believed that Hitler would be a gentleman. Either they believed it, or they wanted to believe. And this was, of course, the basis of the appeasement policy in the years to come.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1488.71,1521.81"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: When you left, where did you go? To Switzerland immediately?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1521.81,1526.1"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: No. I went, uh, I was very attracted, then, to go to Palestine. And, uh, but-- when you went--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1526.1,1537.59"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t[PHONE RINGS]\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1537.59,1539.06"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1539.06,1542.49"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tCREW: Just a moment, please.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1542.49,1546.9"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t[CHUCKLING]\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1546.9,1550.33"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tCREW: OK.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1550.33,1553.29"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: You said that you were attracted to Palestine?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1553.29,1556.45"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Yeah. I-- I really wanted to go to Palestine. But at that time, uh, you had to become a peasant. You had to go to a kibbutz. You had to give up your-- your career as an intellectual, and I knew this wouldn't work. Uh, I had very good Zionist friends. I-- already, in my student days, some of them did it. Some of-- of-- the others tried it. Uh, I knew it wouldn't work.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1556.45,1589.26"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tSo I just decided to continue my legal studies and went to France and took up legal studies in France. They allowed us, uh, every few months, to present ourselves to an examination, an annual examination, so to speak. Uh, but, uh, when I had passed the second examination, the French government passed a law which would forbid uh, people to exercise the profession of-- of a lawyer or any legal profession, uh, before 10 years after the naturalization. So, uh, this was out, too. I finished it, the-- the examinations, but I knew there was no sense in continuing.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1589.26,1646.3"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd I went to, uh, Geneva, attracted, by, uh, very illustrious professor of jurisprudence, who had founded the Vienna School of Law was later in Cologne, and who-- whom I, uh, liked to work with, uh, already in my student days. But I had never had an opportunity. And he was teaching, then, in Geneva. And he, uh, encouraged me. He was once in Paris when I approached him with a couple of lectures.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1646.3,1687.13"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd he remembered some of the correspondence which we had and encouraged me to come to Geneva, which wasn't so easy, because, you know, you have to have a basis. And he said, well, you can just hold out for a few months? I guarantee you, you will get in a fellowship, and then you have to get another fellowship, and we will see from there.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1687.13,1709.99"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd this is what happened. And I went to Geneva, and, uh, took up, uh, there, international law. My real specialty was theory of state and law. In normal times, I would have become a professor of jurisprudence in Germany. [CHUCKLES] But it wasn't normal times, and so my real career was brought to an end.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1709.99,1733.69"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd I was working in this-- in the Institute of-- Graduate Institute of International Studies in Geneva, uh, for about a year, year and a half, when the World Jewish Congress was created. And, uh, at the eve of this formal assembly, founding assembly of the World Jewish Congress, uh, Dr. Steven Weiss and Dr. Nahum Goldmann, who were the two, uh, founders of the World Jewish Congress, uh, consulted a few, uh, people in Geneva, whether they wouldn't recommend them a young law-- lawyer who would be versed in international law and who would be interested in Jewish affairs.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1733.69,1787.21"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd they consulted three people. One was my illustrious teacher, Professor Hans Kelsen, who later teached-- uh, taught here in this country, ended in Berkeley. A very famous internationalist, Kelsen.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1787.21,1803.98"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: Can you spell that for me?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1803.98,1804.9"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: K-E-L-S-EN. Hans Kelsen. He, uh, taught in Harvard and several other places, and at the end of his life, in Berkeley. He published lots of things. The-- one of the great legal spirits of this century.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1804.9,1825.89"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd the second was, uh, Professor William Rappard, who was the head of this Institute of Graduate Studies. He was the Swiss member of the Mandates Commission of the League of Nations. And the Mandates Commission was supervising body for the Mandate of Palestine, also.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1825.89,1849.39"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd, um, he was, in fact, the first director of the Mandates Division in the League of Nations in 1919, a friend of Wilson. It's due to him that the, uh, the, uh, League of Nations came to Geneva at that time. He was a-- as a young professor, in Harvard, professor, and they-- they met, uh, at that time, Wilson, and they became friendly, and so.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1849.39,1876.35"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd the third was Paul Guggenheim, a Jewish professor also at the Institute, younger man. Was, uh, uh, was the only one who, in the last 50 years, wrote in international law treaties in-- as a Swiss lawyer, and a very esteemed, uh, uh, lawyer, international lawyer. And they all three, uh, recommended me to-- to Nahum Goldmann.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1876.35,1906.23"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd, uh, and that is how I came into this field. I felt, uh, I was always interested in these affairs. I felt that I couldn't resist this call to fight against the Nazis from an international platform. Although my family, at the time was still in Germany, and I had to be very careful about my name not being used and too much known. Um, I accepted. Although, I had another fellowship which was running, still, for 18 months, and for a refugee, that was a colossal thing.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1906.23,1949.562"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tUh, so I accepted, in '36, to, uh, uh, to become the, uh, legal secretary for this new office of the newly-created World Jewish Congress in Geneva. With the main responsibility of, uh, of writing briefs and memoranda concerning the Jewish position in the Eastern European countries, where the minority treaties were, uh, in force, and where there was a special procedure of complaint to the League of Nations. Uh, this was a very important function, of course, but, of course, you couldn't separate. And more, and more, the question of the fight against Germany was in the forefront, and my major part was, uh, really shifting to, uh, Germany, the city of Danzig. It's in-- in in the forefront, Austria, Czechoslovakia, and so.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1949.562,2015.67"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: When were you able to convince your family to leave?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2015.67,2020.71"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Well I had, uh, the problem of my family, it was really a financial problem. They would have left earlier, but you have to find, uh, you couldn't-- you couldn't, uh, move your property, uh. During the Hitler years, where you didn't earn anything, you were eating up what you had. Uh, so it was really to find some way of-- of existence.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2020.71,2048.466"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tUh, my father conveyed to me already in-- certainly at the beginning of '38, that the atmosphere was absolutely, uh, uh, impossible. He couldn't stand it anymore. And he said that he wanted to leave. And they registered, then, for the United States. But you know, there were terribly long delays. And when the, uh, when the, uh, pogroms and-- and the Kristallnacht. During-- after the Kristallnacht took place. And then, the great rush on the American consulate started.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2048.466,2090.432"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tUm, the-- we're is still not far from being on the-- in-- in-- in-- uh, able to get the visas. And we made desperate efforts to get them out after this. And I had an uncle in Holland who was, uh, quite, uh, uh, well-settled, uh, businessman who got them out with his personal guarantees, since he-- my family, uh, status-- uh, moved in-- in the end of '38 to Holland.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2090.432,2124.81"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd, uh, from there, luckily, already during the war, in the first months of 1940 to America. A few weeks before the Germans marched into Holland.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2124.81,2140.815"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: Were you-- your job, at this point, in 1938, '39, were you a listening post? What were you doing? You, yourself, what w-- was your work, at that point, when the war began and the Germans--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2140.815,2156.23"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Well, the-- the office was directed by Nahum Goldmann, who had-- who headed two offices, the World Jewish Congress office and the Office of the Jewish Agency at the League of Nations. One directed, uh, Palestine, and the other for, uh, questions of, um, uh, diaspora problems.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2156.23,2180.61"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tNow, uh, some of-- as I said, some of the major aims was to, uh, attack the Germans, to create difficulties, and to put the German Jewish questions in the forefront of, uh, international consideration.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2180.61,2200.528"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: Did you feel safe in Switzerland?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2200.528,2202.768"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: [INAUDIBLE] no, no.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2202.768,2204.29"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: No concerns?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2204.29,2207.13"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Well, uh, but there were some cases of-- famous case of Jakob, Professor Jakob, who was, uh, uh, conducted over the-- from Switzerland to Germany by, uh, secret agents, but he was restored. He was. No, uh, I-- I-- had no problems in this. And I never felt-- a-- a question of being afraid is a question of temperament, also. [CHUCKLES] Maybe also of imagination. [CHUCKLES]\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2207.13,2241.21"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tIn any case-- so we attacked the Germans on the case of Danzig. We fought for the rights of the Jews in Danzig, which were in the guarantee of the League of Nations. We fought for the, uh, Jews in Austria, before-- for the refugees. We all participated in the conferences which deliberated on the status of refugees from Germany. And we tried to improve the status of people, get passports, and people get facilities to move and so on. People who came out without any passport was a great problem.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2241.21,2275.44"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tThe greatest action which we undertook was against the Romanian anti-Semitic government, Goga-Cuza in 1938. That was, uh, when-- when they came to power under the leadership of, uh, Mr. Goga and really anti-Semitic government, which introduced, uh, anti-Semitic legislation all over in Romania. And we brought the question before the League of Nations.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2275.44,2306.43"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd then thanks to the political action, uh, which I, as young-- this was my first, real, great political fight in-- in my career. It was '38. I had joined in '36, in the end of '36. But this was a real, great fight. And led to the, uh, resignation of that government, by, uh supported, then, by the British and by the French governments, who used the Jewish case as, uh, the-- the-- the-- the pretext for strong pressure, because they had political and economic interests of great, uh, order. Uh, Goga's government was forced to resign.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2306.43,2355.26"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tWhen he resigned, this is not anymore known, uh, he-- he-- he-- he said [SNORTS] which was, uh, was very, uh, very, uh, uh, exciting at the time. Judah, du hast gesiegt. You there, you-- you have vanquished.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2355.26,2372.57"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tNow, the tragedy of this, this was really the possibility-- that only really occasion where our action against the wave of anti-Semitism all over Europe had a success, and where we forced them back. But the great tragedy was that six weeks later, Hitler marched into Austria. And the whole thing was forgotten.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2372.57,2399.31"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: You were in a key position then. Of course, the book, \u003ci\u003eWhile\u003c/i\u003e \u003ci\u003eSix\u003c/i\u003e \u003ci\u003eMillion\u003c/i\u003e \u003ci\u003eDied,\u003c/i\u003e starts with your action, your-- the information which you relayed to the United States government, that Zyklon B gas was going to be used for--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2399.31,2414.82"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Mm-hmm.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2414.82,2415.06"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: --extermination purposes. How did that all come about, that you were the recipient of this information, that you were the ear?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2415.06,2424.66"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Well, well, you come now to the war years. Uh, during the war, we were really the center-- the Switzerland, Geneva, if you want, the center of information. My major job at that time became to inform the headquarters of the Congress, which had moved to New York, to inform what was going on in Europe. And, uh, we were, of course, in contact with all kinds of people, with all Jewish communities, as far as we could maintain the contact. And, um, we tried to help-- be helpful, as far as we could be.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2424.66,2467.764"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tNow, uh, uh, of course, we followed, day by day or months by months, what was going on in Europe. When once the, really, the files of the World Jewish Congress will be opened, it will be-- uh, they are open. I mean, they will be published some of this, you will, uh, see how well we were informed.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2467.764,2493.36"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tI-- I have recently, uh, uh, seen some of the things which, uh, looked up some of the cables, which have-- from time to time, uh, how we reported, uh, about the state of affairs of the Jewish community. Not a one-- of the totality of Jewish communities. And, uh, it shows how e-- excellently where-- we-- we-- we-- we followed, in spite of all the difficulties.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2493.36,2524.32"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tNow, we were very informed, of course, of all the terrible things which were going on. Uh, here, again, today, and to the younger generation, it appears as this comes in one day, with a one day conference. This was not so. These things are developing, stage by stage.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2524.32,2547.87"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tTerrible things had happened that the-- when the war broke out, when Hitler marched into Poland, for instance. Uh, thousands and thousands of Jews were slaughtered in Western Poland. Now, that's also, have now forgotten, but it was known, uh, in whatever, the books or yellow books, by governments, which-- which-- which published it.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2547.87,2572.11"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tWe knew. We followed this. I followed the points. I had, the, uh, legislation of all the-- the legislation of all the occupied countries. I got regularly. Too slow, and not always in most, uh, normal channels. Some were from the library of the League of Nations, which, uh, with which I, uh, had an agreement, secretly, and by which I got. Uh, so we-- we knew what was going on, and we knew, also, some of the terrible the news of violence in a number of places.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2572.11,2614.71"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tUh, this went on, 1940, '41, and so on. In, uh, '42, we knew, even, some also news about experiments. Experiments-- with med-- medical experiments, injections. Or, uh, s-- some moment, I believe in May 1942, we heard, for the first time, of, uh, buses, in which people there gassed, experiments with gas in buses.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2614.71,2660.48"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAll this came from time to time through the one or the other source. And you had to evaluate how serious is this, or not? There were a number of, uh, people, you know, in such extraordinary times, extraordinary people appear. I have, uh, I remember some of them.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2660.48,2685.53"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tOne was a Danish Jew, who, uh, came from time to time. You didn't know a businessman, why-- why-- what? Who had apparently some protection from the German Ministry of War, and who came with exact information. For instance, on the Jewish community in Berlin, he showed me the first time the bills which the government sent to the Jewish community in Berlin for the transports, for the deportation, of the Jews from Berlin. The absurdity. But--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2685.53,2724.71"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: [INAUDIBLE]\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2724.71,2725.123"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: The-- the-- the-- such reports I saw with my-- my-- my eyes, which he had somehow copied. And-- and, uh, he showed me. There was another--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2725.123,2734.83"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: Transportation for their own death? But they didn't know that--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2734.83,2737.815"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: No, no. The-- the-- the community was forced to send s-- so many Jews to Liegar, to Lodz, and so on, deportation. And then they got the bill for this, from the government. From there-- from the-- from the railway administration of the government. I mean, the absurdity, uh, and the chutzpah of the government. [CHUCKLES]\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2737.815,2762.89"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tThe-- the-- the, uh, there was another wonderful person, a young man, a Belgian Jew, who suddenly came. He was, uh, was traveling, clandestinely, from Belgium to Holland, from Holland to France, from France to Switzerland, in order to get support for a youth movement, resistance, and immigration of young Jews towards Spain and towards countries. Such people appeared. They-- they-- they came by themselves. And they found their way.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2762.89,2802.49"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: To your office?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2802.49,2803.66"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: To my office, to other offices. Now, we-- the ma-- the famous story which you-- of the telegram to which you referred. This is already summer, 1942. And, uh, you ask, uh, how did this message come? And how did it find, uh, the way to my office?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2803.66,2834.54"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tNow, this message, this was really, and this was the important thing to know. This was the first report on a plan of total extermination. And I went to make it clear that the difference of this report to other reports was that there is a concept, a total plan, that terrible things happen, that Jews were deported, that Jews there killed, that thousands and tens of thousands were dying in the camps and-- and dying in-- in some ghettos. This we knew, that they were killed in the thousands. This we knew from [INAUDIBLE].\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2834.54,2873.07"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tBut that there was a whole concept, that the intention was to kill everybody, to wipe out everybody, this came for the first time in this message. And this message came from a German industrialist who was a decent fellow, a man who wanted to, uh, relieve his conscience. And I pay tribute to him. That his-- that he-- he-- he was motivated by this. B-- I cannot keep this to myself. This has to be known, and then this was his-- his purpose coming. He left, uh, came to Switzerland, and, uh, to, uh, to tell the-- the story.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2873.07,2920.97"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd he went to-- to some business friends of his, and, uh, asked them, uh, to, uh, establish contact, some, some Jew, some-- some Jewish representative.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2920.97,2939.46"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: How did he know?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2939.46,2940.555"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Huh?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2940.555,2940.97"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: How did he know about the plan?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2940.97,2943.23"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: He knew about it. He was, uh, a man, uh, at the head of, uh, enormous German enterprise, a great concern. Uh, they occupied about 30,000 people for the war effort. And having such an enterprise, he had access to Hitler's headquarters.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2943.23,2972.866"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: Do you know the name of the enterprise?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2972.866,2975.37"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Uh, yeah. I have never given the name, neither of the enterprise nor of the man, because I promised him. The man risked his life for us, and the only request he ever has made is, uh, keep my name out. Now, he is not anymore alive. I have been often asked, uh, but, uh, the time hasn't come.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2975.37,3002.75"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tRecently, a professor Walter Laqueur wrote a whole article about-- speculated about it. He hasn't found the name, I must tell you. Nobody else has, for the time being, in all the other speculation, and several books are all, uh, not correct. I am probably, today, the only one who knows the name, and I feel a bond to my word not to reveal it.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=3002.75,3026.7"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd I don't consider. I say, this was an important German businessman. The credit goes to a German. There were also decent Germans. And this shows it. He risked his life for us. 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And when Nahum Goldmann had left at the beginning of the war, the downfall of France, uh, he asked me to be in contact with him. And after all, I was a very young, [CHUCKLES] relatively very young person, and not with political experience, and so on.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=3209.24,3258.92"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd, uh, the famous cable, even the reservations at the end, its really the influence of the-- all the men of Professor Guggenheim, why would, uh, have perhaps, been a little bit more straight. 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In the middle of July, and in fact, on the 14th of July, there were arrests all over Western Europe, arrests of Jews, mass arrests of Jews, in Paris, in Leone, in, uh, provincial towns, in Amsterdam, and in Antwerp and Brussels, all over Western Europe. And one day, it started, and, uh, thousands and thousands of Jews were arrested, were put into camps, and were deported to the East.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=3383.41,3444.44"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/transcript/19356/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tNow, this had happened before in Germany. It had happened before in Czechoslovakia and in Vienna. And on the eastern side, we didn't know very much, and we knew it was terribly important. 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is referring to his relative Oskar Cohn (1869-1934), a German Jewish lawyer, Zionist and socialist politician. After the November Revolution, Cohn served as undersecretary in the Ministry of Justice. It seems that Riegner saw in Cohn a role model. In his memoir, Riegner describes Cohn’s devotion to fighting for Jewish causes with admiration. Riegner specifically mentions Cohn’s activities in the Committee of Jewish Delegations, a non-governmental organization founded in 1919 that represented Jewish interests first at the Paris Peace Conference and later in the League of Nations in Geneva. The Committee of Jewish Delegations was the precursor of the World Jewish Congress. See, Gerhart M. Riegner, \u003cem\u003eNever Despair: Sixty Years in the Service of the Jewish People and the Cause of Human Rights\u003c/em\u003e (Chicago: Ivan R. Dee, 2006), 6.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=239.8,284.63"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/annotation_set/202/annotation/1175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eLouis Lewandowski (1821-1894) was a pioneer of synagogue music and served as musical director at the Neue Synagogue in Berlin.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=239.8,284.63"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/annotation_set/202/annotation/1176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eHerman Cohen (1842-1918) was a prominent German-Jewish philosopher, founder of the Neo-Kantian school of thought that dominated academic philosophy in Germany at the turn of the twentieth century, and a public intellectual and religious philosopher who defended Judaism as a system of ethics.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=284.63,316.73"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/annotation_set/202/annotation/1177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eIn his memoir Riegner expands on this episode: “Our situation was all the more urgent as my father was then experiencing health problems. His physician had ordered him to live outside the city in order to get a change of air and recommended that he avoid exerting himself. Thus we had moved into a house in a Berlin suburb. The evening of the famous first of April I was alone at home with my little eleven-year-old sister. Tired from the day’s events, I was going to have a bath. No sooner was I in the tub when I heard the Brown Shirts shouting, a whole chorus of them. We were the only Jewish family in the neighborhood, and they knew it. They had gathered under our windows in order to intimidate us, and for a good quarter of an hour they chanted – or rather shouted – “\u003cem\u003eJuden ‘raus\u003c/em\u003e (“Jews out!”). I didn’t stir from the bathtub, but this made a traumatic impression on me.” Riegner, \u003cem\u003eNever Despair\u003c/em\u003e, 21-2.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=850.17,876.93"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/annotation_set/202/annotation/1178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eThe Oranienburg concentration camp was established in 1933 and held political opponents of the Nazi party from the Berlin region, mainly members of the Communist party, social democrats, homosexuals and individuals classified as undesirable. The camp was located in the middle of Oranienburg and was highly visible. It was closed in 1934. The Sachsenhausen concentration camp was established in 1936 and at first held primarily political opponents of the Nazi regime.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=876.93,928.46"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/annotation_set/202/annotation/1179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eMarinus van der Lubbe (1909-1934) was a Dutch communist who was tried, convicted and executed by the Nazis for setting the Reichstag on fire. Most historians agree that Van der Lubbe did set the Reichstag on fire, though dispute remains whether he acted alone or as part of a plot.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=964.306,993.82"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/annotation_set/202/annotation/1180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eJoachim Prinz (1902-1988) prominent German-Jewish and later American-Jewish Rabbi who became a leader in the fight for Jewish rights and the Civil Rights movement in the United States. His book \u003cem\u003eWir Juden\u003c/em\u003e (“We Jews”), written in 1933 and published in 1934, argued that liberalism and Jewish emancipation had failed and urged Jews to emigrate to Palestine. His book and speeches were highly controversial among German Jewish leaders at the time.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1118.44,1160.36"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/annotation_set/202/annotation/1181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eRiegner is referring to Hans Kelsen (1881-1973), a jurist and one of the most influential legal theoreticians of the twentieth century. While in Paris, Riegenr approached Kelsen and asked him for professional help. Kelsen invited Riegner to join his law institute in Geneva and offered him a two-year fellowship. See Riegner, \u003cem\u003eNever Despair\u003c/em\u003e, 25-6.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1646.3,1687.13"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/annotation_set/202/annotation/1182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eSee the introduction for context on the creation of the World Jewish Congress.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1733.69,1787.21"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/annotation_set/202/annotation/1183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eSee footnote 8 for more on Kelsen.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1787.21,1803.98"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/annotation_set/202/annotation/1184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eWilliam Rappard (1883-1958), a prominent supporter of internationalism in the interwar period, co-founder of the Graduate Institute for International Studies in Geneva and director of the Mandate Section of the League of Nations Secretariat.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1825.89,1849.39"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/annotation_set/202/annotation/1185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003ePaul Guggenheim (1899-1977), was a prominent Swiss-Jewish scholar of international law who served as the legal counsel of the World Jewish Congress. As Riegner tells later in the testimony, Guggenheim took part in writing and editing the famous “Riegner Telegram.”\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1876.35,1906.23"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/annotation_set/202/annotation/1186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eAfter World War I, Danzig had been accorded the status of an autonomous “free city” with its existence and constitution guaranteed by the Council of the League of Nations. Because of its unique political status, tens of thousands of Jewish refugees from Eastern Europe passed through and temporarily resided in the city, and were aided by the local Jewish community, as they awaited immigration visas. From 1933 onward, the Nazis won increasing power and ultimately a majority in the local senate. The Nazis introduced antisemitic legislation and persecuted Jews. In his memoir, Riegner notes that the fight to protect Jewish rights in Danzig constituted one of the greatest lobbying efforts of the WJC in the interwar years. The WJC repeatedly advocated for the suspension of anti-Jewish legislation before the High Commissioners appointed to Danzig by the League and in various other League bodies. These efforts were not very successful. Riegner notes that the only achievement was to delay the introduction of the “Aryan paragraph” in the Danzig bylaws by about a year. Danzig was occupied by Nazi Germany on the first day of the Second World War. See Riegner, \u003cem\u003eNever Despair\u003c/em\u003e, 174-6.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2241.21,2275.44"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/annotation_set/202/annotation/1187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eIn his memoir, Riegner describes as unsuccessful the efforts of the WJC to fight for Jews in Austria after the Anschluss and for Jews in Czechoslovakia after the Nazis occupation of Bohemia and Moravia: “we were quite active during this whole crisis. But despite the protests we raised at the League of Nations and with the governments of the great powers, we could not achieve important results. After these events we concentrated our efforts on bringing relief by any means possible to the vast number of Jewish refugees from Austria and Czechoslovakia.” Riegner, \u003cem\u003eNever Despair\u003c/em\u003e, 173.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2241.21,2275.44"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/annotation_set/202/annotation/1188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eIn December 1937, a pro-fascist government was formed in Romania under the leadership of Octavian Goga and Alexander Cuza. This government advocated an alliance with the Third Reich and pursued antisemitic policies modeled after Nazi Germany. The party vowed to establish a regime based on the dominance of the Romanian “race” and to exclude Jews from public life and pursued a policy aimed at stripping some 250,000-500,000 Jews of their citizenship. After World War I, the League of Nations required Romania to grant citizenship and minority rights to hundreds of thousands of Jews from territories newly awarded to Romania in Bessarabia, Bukovina and Transylvania. Successive Romanian governments tried to prevent Jews from acquiring their rightful citizenship, and the Goga-Cuza government sought to annul the citizenship of hundreds of thousands of Jews. In his memoir, Riegner describes the efforts of the WJC to fight these antisemitic policies. In January 1938, Riegner prepared a petition in which the WJC demanded that the League adopt an urgency clause to protect Jews in Romania. In the following weeks Riegner and other WJC officials met with leaders such as the French Minister of Foreign Affairs, Yvon Delbos, British Foreign Secretary for Foreign Affairs Lord Cranborne, and Soviet Ambassador Yakov Suritz while Stephen Wise obtained a declaration from US President Roosevelt in which he expressed his distaste for the persecution of Jews in East Central Europe. The League rejected the WJC demand to invoke the urgency clause but immediately appointed a Committee of Three charged with dealing with the problems raised by the petition ahead of the next session. Ultimately, pressure from the British and French governments led to the resignation of the Goga government in February. Britain and France had substantial foreign policy and economic interests in Romania and opposed a government aligned with Nazi Germany and the fascist axis. By engaging in public advocacy, the WJC succeeded in drawing sustained international attention to the illegitimacy of the Goga government. Riegner wrote: “This arduous effort constituted one of our great political actions. We won because we succeeded in convincing the Western powers that their interests coincided with ours.” See Riegner, \u003cem\u003eNever Despair\u003c/em\u003e, 173. See also Dov B. Lungo, “The French and British Attitudes towards the Goga-Cuza Government in Romania, December 1937-February 1938,” \u003cem\u003eCanadian Slavonic Papers\u003c/em\u003e 30, no. 3 (September 1988): 323-41. For more on this episode and other WJC activities in the 1930 see Zohar Segev, “Immigration, Politics and Democracy: The World Jewish Congress in Europe, 1936-1939,” \u003cem\u003eStudies in Ethnicity and Nationalism\u003c/em\u003e 17, no. 2 (2017): 209-26.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2306.43,2355.26"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/annotation_set/202/annotation/1189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eMore properly translated: \u003cem\u003eJudah, you have won.\u003c/em\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2355.26,2372.57"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/annotation_set/202/annotation/1190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eThe interviewer is referring to Arthur D. Morse, \u003cem\u003eWhile Six Million Died: A Chronicle of American Apathy\u003c/em\u003e (New\u003cbr\u003eYork: Hart Publishing Company, 1968). Morse’s study was the first book to discuss the response of the US\u003cbr\u003egovernment and President Roosevelt to the persecution of Jews in Europe and the Holocaust. It caused a sensation upon its publication as it shed a shameful light on American action and inaction – limiting immigration quotas and turning away ships with Jewish refugees as persecution in Europe mounted, suppression of reports on the mass murder of Jews and failure to bomb extermination camps. The book was the first in a broader scholarly examination of the US policy toward European Jews during the Holocaust; see for example David S. Wyman, \u003cem\u003eThe Abandonment of the Jews: America and the Holocaust 1941-1945\u003c/em\u003e (New York: Pantheon Books, 1984); Deborah E. Lipstadt, \u003cem\u003eBeyond Belief: The\u003c/em\u003e \u003cem\u003eAmerican Press and the Coming of the Holocaust\u003c/em\u003e (New York: Free Press, 1986); Henry Feingold, \u003cem\u003eBearing Witness: How America and its Jews Responded to the Holocaust\u003c/em\u003e (New York: Syracuse University Press, 1995); Peter Novick, \u003cem\u003eThe Holocaust in American Life\u003c/em\u003e (New York: Mariner Books, 1999) and more recently Richard Breitman and Allan J. Lichtman, \u003cem\u003eFDR and the Jews\u003c/em\u003e (Cambridge, MA: Belknap Press, 2014) and Rafael Medoff, \u003cem\u003eThe Jews Should Keep Quite: Franklin D. Roosevelt, Rabbi Stephen S. Wise and the Holocaust\u003c/em\u003e (Pennsylvania: Jewish Publication Society, 2019).\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2399.31,2414.82"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/annotation_set/202/annotation/1191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eThe interviewer is referring here to the famous ‘Riegner Telegram.’ On August 8, 1942 Riegner sent a telegram through the US consulate in Geneva, addressed to the US Foreign Office and to Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, in which he relayed a Nazi plan aimed at the complete extermination of European Jewry. A few weeks later Riegner sent a subsequent telegram to British Jewish parliament member and World Jewish Congress leader Sydney Silverman. Riegner’s telegram was the first report that contended that the Nazi were intent on exterminating all of European Jewry (as opposed to previous reports of widespread and sporadic massacres of Jews in Nazi occupied Europe). The telegram read: “Received alarming report stating that, in the Fuehrer's Headquarters, a plan has been discussed, and is under consideration, according to which all Jews in countries occupied or controlled by Germany numbering 3½ to 4 millions should, after deportation and concentration in the East, be at one blow exterminated, in order to resolve, once and for all the Jewish question in Europe. Action is reported to be planned for the autumn. Ways of execution are still being discussed including the use of prussic acid. We transmit this information with all the necessary reservation, as exactitude cannot be confirmed by us. Our informant is reported to have close connexions with the highest German authorities, and his reports are generally reliable. Please inform and consult New York.”\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2399.31,2414.82"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/annotation_set/202/annotation/1192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eRiegner did ultimately reveal the identity of the informant in his autobiography and in an interview in \u003cem\u003eDer Spiegel\u003c/em\u003e, both published in 2001. The informant was Eduard Schulte, director general of a complex of German mining companies Georg von Giesche’s Erben. The information was relied from Schulte to Riegner through two intermediaries: Benno Sagalowitz, the press officer of the Swiss Jewish community, and Isidor Koppelmann, a businessman. Riegner had also revealed the identity of Schulte during the war to American diplomats in Switzerland who made it a condition for transmitting his cable to Washington. Walter Lacqueur had rightly speculated that Eduard Schulte was the informant in a series of books including a biography of Schulte, see Laqeuer, \u003cem\u003eThe Terrible Secret: Suppression of the Truth about Hitler’s “final solution”\u003c/em\u003e (Boston: Little, Brown 1980) as well as Laqueuer and Richard Breitman,\u003cem\u003e Breaking the Silence: The German who Exposed the Final Solution\u003c/em\u003e (New York: Simon and Shuster, 1986). See also Laqueur’s recent reflections on his relationship with Riegner and the history of The ‘Riegner Telegram,’ Lacquer “The Riegner Cable, and the Knowing Failure of the West to Act During the Shoa,” \u003cem\u003eTablet Magazine\u003c/em\u003e, August 10, 2015, at https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/books/192421/riegner-cable-shoah.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=3002.75,3026.7"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/annotation_set/202/annotation/1193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more on Sagalowitz see footnote 15.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=3048.968,3093.84"}]},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/index/40463","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["mssa_hvt_764_p1of3_index.xml [Index]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/index/40463/annotation/1194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Segment 1","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=36.0,410.0"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/index/40463/annotation/1195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Born Berlin. 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Saw at 20 or 21 that this was the end of German Jewry.\n\nLast day in Germany.\n50th birthday of friend of family- saw family, relations together last time.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=36.0,410.0"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/index/40463/annotation/1196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Segment 2","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=410.0,794.0"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/index/40463/annotation/1197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Leave taking from family\nMay 16 or 17, 1933.  Pleading with dozens to at least allow their children to leave Germany.\nBelieved end of German Jewry because witnessed rise of Nation while a student.  Involved in fights.  Freiburg, Hitler organization active in student elections, knew how Nazis organized and how they tried to throw Jews out of universities.  Incident in Berlin.  Stormed Hall of Jewish professor.\n\nMistake in 1933 made by both Germans and German Jews [foreign country?] was not to understand the character of the Nazi movement- majority believed wouldn’t last long.\nDiscussions with non- Jewish professor in Berlin.  A few days before left: expert in constitutional law, pleaded with me to stay, sure it wouldn’t last.  Was only one to warn me that emigration was a terrible thing- I agree and glad no one else told me that. \n\nPeople never understood the ruthlessness of Nazi movement.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=410.0,794.0"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/index/40463/annotation/1198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Segment 3","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=794.0,1166.0"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/index/40463/annotation/1199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"?Mein Kampf outlines what Hitler intended.\n\nI agree- left 3 ½ months after Hitler came to power.  Knew already that there were concentration camps- was in all the papers.  Oranienburg, Sachsenhausen, not yet systematic killing.  Knew of Nazi tortures.  Reichstag burned- knew Nazis responsible.\nBoycott of Jewish businesses-\nRabbi Joachim Prinz- preached to young Jews to get out of the country (now lives in US)","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=794.0,1166.0"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/index/40463/annotation/1200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Segment 4","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1166.0,1522.0"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/index/40463/annotation/1201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"3 crises in Germany to the time: political, economical, social.\nThe combination of the 3 made Hitler possible.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1166.0,1522.0"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/index/40463/annotation/1202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Segment 5","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=1522.0,2016.0"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/index/40463/annotation/1203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wanted to go to Palestine, but at that time you had to give up your career as an intellectual and become a peasant.  Knew it wouldn’t work so continues his legal studies in France.  But French government passed law, forbidding emigrants to practice before 10 years of residency so went to Geneva attracted by program who founded Vienna school of law who was then teaching there.  Studied in grad institute- international studies in Geneva.  In Geneva 1-1 ½ years when would Jewish congress created.  Steven Wise and Nachum Goldman founders \n\n3 professors at Institute of Geneva recommended me to Goldmann.  I couldn’t resist the opportunity to fight against the Nazis from an international platform.  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I made desperate efforts to get them out- an uncle in Holland got them out with his personal guarantee.  They moved to Holland end of '38, and from there, in 1940, to US- a few weeks before Germans marched into Holland.\n\nWJC office- directed by Nachum Goldmann, who also had an office at the Jewish Agency office at the League of Nations.  Major aims to attack Germans, create difficulties, and put the German- Jewish question in the forefront of international consideration.\n\nFought for the rights of the Jews of Danzig which was under guarantee of the League of Nations for the Jews of Austria, refugees from Germany.  Action against Rumanian anti-Semitic government in 1938.  Led to the registration of the government said “Jude, du hast gesiegt”. 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I was responsible for informing the headquarters of the Congress, which had moved to NY, about what was going on in Europe.  In contact with all Jewish people as far as possible and tried to be as helpful as could be.  Once World Jewish Congress will be made public, will see how well informed they were.\n\nInformed of all the terrible things which were going on.  Developed stage by stage: at outbreak, when Hitler marched into Poland, thousands of Jews massacred.  Received legislation of all the occupied country, some via League of Nations; with whom had secret agreement.  So knew what was going on.  In 1942, knew about medical experiments.  May, '42 heard of experiments with gas in buses.  Came from various sources.  They had to evaluate how serious it was.  In such extraordinary times, extraordinary people appear.  One was a Danish Jew who has some protection from the German ministry of war and who came with exact information, on Jewish community in Berlin, showed me bills German government sent to Jewish community of Berlin for the transport of the Jews from Berlin.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2400.0,2766.0"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/index/40463/annotation/1208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Segment 8","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2766.0,3404.0"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/index/40463/annotation/1209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Another wonderful young Belgian Jew appeared suddenly from Holland- Belgium- France- Switzerland to get support for emigration of young Jews.  Famous story of telegram which LV referred was in summer, 1942.  1st report on a plan of total extermination, the different from all previous plans because this was a total plan, had previously known that Jews were being killed by the thousands, but this was the 1st evidence of a concept of total extermination.  Message came from a decent German industrialist who wanted to relieve his conscience- he came to Switzerland, went to business friends and asked them to establish contact with some Jewish representative.  (GR has never named the enterprise of the man because the man asked him not to. No speculation to now correct- GR feels bound by his word not to reveal it.  But this shows there were also decent Germans)\n\nSecretary of Pres office of the Swiss Jewish community was contacted, Dr. Sagalowitz, friend and colleague of mine.  He immediately called me, not with him told him the story: this business man had heard (6 weeks later confirmed that there had been an order) of plan for extermination of Jews in East, talk of prussic acid (now we know Zyklon gas based on Prussic acid.)  They were faced with the question; Is this possible? That such a thing is being decided. Me and Sagalowitz kept story to themselves, made inquiries about the man and learned he was serious.  I consulted professor Guggenheim, legal advisor.  The famous cable and the reservations expressed at the end of it came as result of input from Guggenheim.  I himself would perhaps have been more straight.  Their problem was can one believe it?  I struggled for several days, came to the conclusion that they were capable of doing it- his German background made him know their brutality, lack of moral principle.  Remembered clear statements by Hitler and Goering in the Reichstag.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=2766.0,3404.0"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/index/40463/annotation/1210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Segment 9","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944#t=3404.0,3740.915"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81944/index/40463/annotation/1211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"On July 14 had been mass arrests of Jews all over Europe.  Put into camps, deported to east.  With news from industrialist knew why.  So convinced, I  went to Americans and British, told 3 things\n\n1. This is the news\n2. Inform your government and investigate yourselves\n3. Give message to Rabbi Wisse in NY \n\nAsked British to consult and inform NY (In case message didn’t get though to S Wisse- which was the case).\nBritish didn’t believe it, inquired who I was but more reports trickled in, and they had to take seriously.\nI had new sources of info. 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They're just putting down some what they call for us.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=10.31,18.14"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Yeah, this is what I have-- I see my voice is again very covered.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=18.14,28.429"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: OK.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=28.429,37.411"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tCREW: Give it five and then--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=37.411,40.56"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: What-- what did I say? I said the new reports which came in.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=40.56,45.24"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: Yes, you were talking about the new reports that came in and what happened.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=45.24,48.166"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Yeah. Yeah, there were three news sources, which confirmed, each in its way, the plan. The first was several letters which came from Warsaw, from a Jew outside Warsaw, the Warsaw ghetto, addressed to an orthodox Jewish organization in Switzerland.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=48.166,82.35"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tThe Aguda, in which the correspondent reported of the deportation of the Jews of Warsaw starting the 25th of July '42. And he, in a language which was coded but understandable, he used Hebrew words here and there, he made us understand in this letter that since the 25th of July, every day 6,000 Jews were sent to-- to a camp in Treblinka.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=82.35,130.46"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tI don't know whether he mentioned Treblinka. It's also so important. And were killed in Treblinka. These were the first direct news from Warsaw, which came either in August or beginning of September.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=130.46,149.97"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tNumber two, in August '42, a young man escaped to Switzerland, who had been the eye witness of the extermination of the Jews of the city of Riga in November and December 1941. This young man, who had parents, relatives in-- in Switzerland, he came from a very, very fine Jewish family in Riga. He had witnessed the total extermination of the Jews, had escaped somehow to Germany, was employed as a non-Jew in a German hospital in Stettin for a couple of months and finally made his way to Switzerland.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=149.97,217.32"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd I questioned him in my office for I don't know how many hours, six, seven hours, about what-- what he knew, about events which the world completely ignored and which were-- which had happened nine months before.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=217.32,240.74"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd he described with all the details the-- the extermination in two nights of 36,000 Jews of Riga. Amongst whom one of the most famous Jewish historians, Professor Simon Dubnow, of the great Jewish scientists of our generation. He was also founder of the Congress, by the way.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=240.74,275.76"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tThere they used not gas yet, but they killed by machine guns. And so a detailed description how this was done, with names and all that. And for me, what was a revelation was that such things could happen, and in nine months, 10 months, you couldn't-- you didn't know anything. It was completely unknown to the outer world.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=275.76,305.32"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd the third was the most fantastic. The third was equally an eye witness. A man-- one day-- let me put it the other way around. One day, a Jewish doctor in the hospital in Geneva called me and said, \"I want you to come immediately. there's something very strange here, which I want you to see.\" And I come to the hospital, and the doctor received and says, \"listen, I am not allowed to do what I do. There is a man under police supervision. And in reality, nobody should see him. But he tells such fantastic stories that I feel you have to speak to him.\"\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=305.32,363.18"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd he lets me in into the room, and I meet a young man in his 30s, who tells me his story. A Jew, Polish Jew, a mechanician. You say \"mechanician\" in English?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=363.18,384.46"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: A mechanic?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=384.46,385.27"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Mechanic, who worked in Belgium. I think it was Antwerp. And on the same 14th of 15th of July was arrested, brought into the camp, Malines, deported to the East. And he tells me the story of the trains, and where the train stopped, and where they got food, and where they finally ended. He ended up near Stalingrad. In Rava-Ruska not very far from Stalingrad. And there takes place a selection, and he is taken for work. And after several weeks or days, a young officer needs a driver and chooses a driver amongst the deported workers. And he chooses him.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=385.27,461.63"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tA younger officer, who is fed up with the war, has lost already two of his brothers and decides to help this young Jew and to save him. They go around with the car and they have long conversations. And the Jew asks him, the officer, what is happening here? What happens when were selected there? What happens there? What happens there?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=461.63,496.06"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd the officer gives him in three sentences the whole story. Those who are fit to work are taken to work. Those who are not fit to work are killed by various methods. Gas killed, other ways. Those who were not anymore fit to work are killed the same way. This was the story.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=496.06,528.2"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tNow, he helped this Jew. That such things are possible even. He put him in a train. There's a train from near Stalingrad. He hides him on the train with food and all kinds of things and gives him occupation mark, so that when he steps out somewhere, he would be able to-- to-- to-- to pay. And he remains in this train for four or five days. And finally the train stops. And really stops. Doesn't go further.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=528.2,572.81"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd then the night, early morning, he goes out of the-- the-- the--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=572.81,581.08"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: The car.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=581.08,582.74"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: The train, which is, by the way, loaded with uniforms of people who died at the front. 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You know, there was half of France was occupied, half was not occupied before the invasion of North Africa.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=607.69,632.31"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd he finds its way to Switzerland over the mountains, and he is somehow accepted and is brought into the hospital, because he has swollen feet, the typical camp disease. And the doctor says, is this possible? And I spent-- again, I spent eight to 10 hours with him. Very simple person, very straightforward.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=632.31,665.3"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd there's a hundred details, which are absolutely, obviously reliable. He tells me this story. All these stories I communicate to the Americans and the others. And in the meantime, what happened, well, that I know only from second sources. In the meantime, Wise got the story from Silverman, and he goes then to Goldmann to Sumner Wells. And Sumner Wells asks him not to publish the story and says, we will check with the Vatican.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=665.3,715.31"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd they check with the Vatican, and the Vatican is very wishy-washy. Doesn't confirm and doesn't infer. In the meantime, our friends in London go from one government to the other. And in reality, nobody believes it. The only one who believes it is the Russian ambassador, Maisky. Maisky is the only one who admitted such things is possible, probably because he knew from Russian experience that such things are possible. Historically, a highly interested detail.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=715.31,761.34"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tBut basically, nobody believed. And then the next step is finally when Wise and Goldmann press Wells further. We are invited to-- to the ambassador, the minister was it? The American minister in Bern. And they asked me, and they asked the head of the Jewish agency office, Richard Lichtheim who had his office on the same floor with me, to-- to appear before the-- the minister and to give him all our-- our, um, evidence, whatever we had.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=761.34,816.41"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd that we did. And we submitted at that time a report of about 30 pages with all the annexes. And-- and that arrived in Washington, they finally believed it. Among these documents is also something which had also its significance. That is a confirmation from the head, or one of the heads of the International Red Cross, Professor Carl Burckhardt, that he had similar reports from independent sources of ours about the total extermination plan.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=816.41,871.16"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tNow, when all this arrived in-- in-- in-- in Washington, then they allowed the release of the story, and then-- and then started really the great apathy. Then nothing happened, except the declaration of the United Nations.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=871.16,895.61"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd on the 17th of December 1942, the United Nations, then the Alliance, not yet the United Nations of today, the governments of all the Allied gover-- countries published this denunciation of the Hitler's crimes. This was published both in London and in Washington, and even in Moscow, simultaneously.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=895.61,931.42"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd even with the declaration of the House of Commons, which was very moving, and the House of Commons stood in silence for three minutes in honor of the victims, but then it stopped. And the negotiations happened, which led to the Bermuda's Conference, which the Jews expected would now produce a program of action. 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Every day brought you other evidence.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=978.24,982.41"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: OK.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=982.41,983.32"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: What I thought? Well, these are the years which made me much older than I am.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=983.32,988.81"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: But what did you do?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=988.81,991.14"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: No, I continued to press, to report, to see, to-- to-- to convince the people that it was happening. As I said, I sent the reports. I sent whatever I could. I made suggestions. I made suggestions for help. Very few were realized. I tried hundreds of things. The true-- in fact, the idea for the declaration, collective declaration of all the Allied countries, was suggested by me a year before it happened. You can read up in the files of the world Jewish Congress. A letter, I think, of August 1941 to Nahum Goldmann, in which I suggested exactly that.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=991.14,1049.19"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tI reported-- I reported, and some of these cables have become very well known. And I suggested rescue approaches. For instance, I sent, in I believe it was April 1943, a long cable to the American embassy delegation to Dr. Wise or Dr. Goldmann. it was the longest, one of the longest cables. And I tell you, it was the most expensive cable, expensive cable which I ever sent in my life, because at a certain moment, the American consulate asked me to pay for it.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1049.19,1098.37"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd the reason for that was that there was something strange in the relationship between Washington and Bern about my communications. But the real story is, we know today, they didn't understand either what had happened. What had happened was that they had understood that they were entitled to send my messages through the diplomatic pouch and through the wire, diplomatic wire through-- the code.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1098.37,1135.36"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd then suddenly they got a telegram in a very general way, without mentioning my name, that such things should be stopped. And the [INAUDIBLE] consul and the minister were very embarrassed, because they saw that what I was reporting was very serious and was very substantiated and so on.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1135.36,1160.41"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd they didn't know what to do. And finally, they decided to ask me to pay for this, but they would send it. And I think it cost us, this cable cost 700 francs, Swiss francs, which was quite an amount at that time. Anyhow, this cable was in fact the cheapest cable I ever sent. Because this cable led to the first-- the granting of the first license to me by the American government to use-- or to the world Jewish Congress to-- to-- to send to me $25,000 as a first experiment to help and rescue victims of Nazi persecution in Europe and the conditions, which we negotiated for eight or nine months.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1160.41,1224.08"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd this led then to the creation of the World Refugee Board, the first months of January. So January 1944. And in the last year of the war, more than $20 million were used for rescue of Jews and non-Jews, victims of the Nazi persecution in Europe due to the establishment of the War Refugee Board and the clauses under which it operated.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1224.08,1260.265"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: Did you--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1260.265,1260.98"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: So this-- this telegram, which in reality it was such an expensive one, really broke through, finally, the financial blockade, the blockade against sending money in order to help. And this is perhaps the greatest practical contribution which one has finally made to the rescue effort.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1260.98,1287.29"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: You mentioned eight or nine months. And if I recall correctly, that was the delayed time. Thousands of people were dying in those eight or nine months.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1287.29,1295.826"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Sure, for sure. For the first three months, too. Don't forget. I spoke to-- nobody believed it on the 25th of July. The people were killed in Treblinka. Over 6,000 people.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1295.826,1311.86"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: Your own, uh, I don't know. Your own state of mind, your own ability to cope with this, I mean, you can't call it a frustration because it was life and death. And yet you perceived that there was this--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1311.86,1330.6"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Well, I was terribly frustrated, certainly. And to sit in Geneva in a beautiful office at the lake, looking at the lake of Geneva and the Mont Blanc and the blue sky around it as if nothing happened in the world, although the Germans sat on all the hills around us. Don't forget. We were also not in such a state of mind that nothing could happen to us.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1330.6,1356.89"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tSeveral years, I had a packed rucksack in case I had to disappear, if the Germans would-- would-- would come here. But this was terrible. And the country, the beauty of the nature was even more provocative when you knew that the world was collapsing everywhere.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1356.89,1379.69"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tYou have to have very serious nerves. I, on the one hand, I was terribly distressed about the weakness of the effort to help and the incapacity to convince the others how serious the problem was. But my only choice was to-- to go on with suggesting, go on with making proposals, and this I did until the end.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1379.69,1408.64"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: What was your day to day activity during that time? I mean, you were obviously trying to make people believe you and press on them the urgency.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1408.64,1417.19"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: No, no. Well, we kept in touch with all kinds of communities. We had, for instance, there were relations with Prague through the underground, the Czech underground. And we saw. There came some employees of certain consulates, legations or embassies who brought messages and so on.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1417.19,1452.98"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tWe organized some help. We sent thousands and thousands of-- of parcels to all kinds of people. We-- we tried to influence the Red Cross to intervene. We tried to influence others to intervene. We tried to influence the Vatican to influence.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1452.98,1476.71"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tHere and there we had some success. I know the Vatican, for instance, once responded to some of our presentations on Slovakia and there was a temporary stop in something. In the last couple of months, I succeeded in having regular meetings of all the Allied-- it was a Jew to have this idea-- all the Allied governments in Geneva and the Red Cross societies to make collective or concerted representation to the Red Cross, which led to the last visit of the boycott in the camps and-- and to Kaltenbrunner and so on.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1476.71,1528.95"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tThere were such activities went on, and we tried to help. The last few months, I was absolutely obsessed with the question that they would kill at the last moment all the camps, all the inmates of the camps, which were still there. So our major effort was to prevent that, to bribe some Germans, if necessary, to try to-- to bring pressure and otherwise in order to prevent. This was daily work.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1528.95,1561.72"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tNow, why the people didn't believe it? That's the other great question. And in reality, I believe that the inaction was not anti-Semitism. That's too simple. There were some anti-Semites in the governments here and there. And you are terribly shocked when you read, for instance, the account by Wasserstein about the British Foreign Office and the British Colonial Office about some of the reactions and some of the foreign civil servants, that a man, when we desperately tried to save a few Jews from Romania and-- and-- and asked them to protect this boat which was sinking--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1561.72,1621.69"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: The Struma?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1621.69,1622.34"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Yeah, is considered by British officers as a Jewish conspiracy against England. Absolutely unimaginable. But this was a fact.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1622.34,1633.91"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: Do you remember who those people were that reacted in this way?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1633.91,1637.47"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: What did you say?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1637.47,1638.1"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: Do you remember any particular people, persons that you know that reacted in this way, this was a conspiracy?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1638.1,1645.32"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: No. I have-- no, I don't know. I-- my people, the people with whom I had to do, I cannot complain. They were perhaps not so friendly than others, but I cannot say that I met them. But I see from the documents, for instance, that-- that when the-- when the American government established the War Refugee Board, which I said before was one of the most important mechanisms, finally, to rescue still and probably hundreds of thousands owed their life to this.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1645.32,1682.99"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tThe reaction in some circles in the British government, and you see it and Wasserstein quotes it, says that this is a new gimmick of Roosevelt to gain the elections. Now, this is one year before the elections. Or nearly 11 months before the elections. This says he wanted to-- to get the Jewish vote. Not a moment's idea that somebody perhaps would really like to help these people. Unbelievable, such a thing.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1682.99,1718.71"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tNow, what I'm saying is, this-- there was, there were such antisemites of course. There are also people of whom whose humanity I really have no explanation. But in reality, this went beyond human understanding. This is a real-- the only explanation.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1718.71,1742.9"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: The Red Cross did not, according to what I've just read, did not behave so admirably in terms of what they might have done, a rescue. You were dealing with the Red Cross.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1742.9,1755.99"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Well, I'm-- the Red Cross, I don't defend the Red Cross. I had a long discussion, many discussions with them. I pressed them, also. I pressed them very hard to make a public declaration. And they didn't make it. We know today quite a lot about this. From recent discussions and recent publications, even.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1755.99,1787.24"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tI know also that there was a discussion in the Red Cross. There was a formal meeting on it. And two or three of the members of the Red Cross, whom I had worked, fought for such a declaration or appeal, or in any case something which-- which should make it known that they are concerned about the extermination, and-- but it was finally refused for the not-- they had some excuses.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1787.24,1830.53"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd I'm not saying that this has ever satisfied us, but you have to state their case, too. They said to me, we have a mandate for prisoners of war. We have 4 and 1/2 million or more prisoners of war in our care.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1830.53,1856.21"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tWe have a clear mandate, the Geneva Convention and entrusted as mandate to us. It is not our fault. It is not our responsibility that we do not have the same mandate for the civilian population and the people in the camps.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1856.21,1876.46"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tWe made proposals before the Second World War for an international convention to deal with such cases, too. And the states refused to ratify this. We cannot risk political-- a political declaration of which-- the results of which are hazardous and may be harmful on the-- and-- and-- and endanger the position which we have with regard to the prisoners of war. This was their position.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1876.46,1928.27"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tNow, I'm not saying, no-- that-- that-- that there is something in it. It is clear that of course they would have had much more difficulties if they would make such declarations. But I have never accepted this. And I have said to them, this is also on public record, and some of the documents have been published in various places.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1928.27,1956.75"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tI've said, in a very important discussion with Professor Burckhardt in November '42, said you have not made the declaration. You have not made the protest. When you said you cannot do anything, I said then you have to speak up. Not to act and not to speak up, this I cannot tolerate. Either act or speak out.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1956.75,1989.38"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd this, then, caused them to take again some initiatives to act. I'm not saying that they were too daring in this, but the more the political situation and the war changed, the more daring they became. This is clear.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1989.38,2016.55"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: In retrospect-- in retrospect, there were people like this Ira Hirschmann, for example, who were able, by force of personal persuasion and just the willingness to take those bold steps, who did save people, especially as the war was turning and yet you worried that the world was going to allow the Germans to exterminate the people in the camps on the last days.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2016.55,2049.42"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Which was not-- it was not a fantasy.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2049.42,2053.63"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: I know it was not a fantasy. Now, how did you-- how did you perceive that at the time? What were you--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2053.63,2064.17"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: No, no. I really believed that they were capable of doing such a thing in the general Stimmung or Goetterdammerung, ja? That was not impossible. And the World Refugee Board helped us in certain ways to-- to bribe people, to interest people, to promise them in some way, well, we may look at you differently after the war if you behave, in this you help. You know these deals which came about.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2064.17,2100.45"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tBut you know, the whole thing, you had not to deal with normal people, nor with normal times. I'll give you an example. One day, the same Professor Burckhardt called me in and said, this was Hungary. We have a frantic appeal from our mission in Budapest. Give out more protection papers. There were protection papers by the Swedes, the famous ones, Burckhardt did this, by the Swiss and by the Red Cross.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2100.45,2146.69"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tIn each of these centers, they gave out hundreds, thousands of papers, passports, whatever. So he said, \"Riegner, what advice do you give me? Should I or should I not? The more I give out, the less valuable. They lose their value.\"\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2146.69,2167.304"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tSo I said to him, \"listen, you argue and think like a Swiss citizen in normal times. These are not normal times. These are not normal people. Understand that you don't have to deal with normal, civilized people. What happens is the following. A Jew has a paper or not. He goes on the street. He is stopped by a policeman or by Iron Guard man.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2167.304,2214.57"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tHe has a paper, the policeman can do either respect it or destroy it and arrest. Depends not on the word. Depends whether he had good breakfast this morning or bad breakfast, whether he slept with his wife or he didn't sleep with his wife, whether he was in good mood or in bad mood. This is the fate of this Jew, depends on this. There's nothing rational in this. Give him at least a chance. If he has no paper, he will arrest him immediately. If he has a paper, he may respect it.\"\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2214.57,2254.61"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tThis was, see, the extraordinary mood in which we were living. Everything what was legal wasn't legal and what was not legal was legal. And you had to get-- you had to educate people in a country like Switzerland to understand. He was very fair. He listened to my advice and he gave instructions to give as many papers as-- as-- as they thought they should give.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2254.61,2281.91"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tThis was-- this was not normal. And our whole-- our whole difficulties were that the world didn't understand. They dealt with the question as normal relief problems, and this was extraordinary rescuing. You see, what Steven Wise obtained in the last years of the war, something from Roosevelt which is extraordinarily important, and which should have been done a hundred times before.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2281.91,2314.64"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tThere was a shipment of a group of 1,000 Yugoslav Jews, which were-- who were left in-- in a free port against the legislation of the Americans and so on. We should have had free ports all over the country. But this imagination wasn't there. We-- we dealt in the routine way, and we had not this-- this-- we couldn't save-- let's not have any illusion. We couldn't save the six million. This is nonsense. But we could have saved hundreds of thousands.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2314.64,2348.585"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: But in that respect, you were involved in the rescue mission of the Romanian and the French Jews. You talked about it. It was money and papers that was missing at that time. I mean--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2348.585,2362.87"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: There was money, yeah.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2362.87,2364.77"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: But--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2364.77,2365.01"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Now, nobody can tell you whether the Romanians would have lived up to this. But we should have had the money. This is what I'm saying. And the-- the-- the-- the-- I cannot vouch that this plan from Transnistria would have worked, but at least we should have tried in such a desperate situation.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2365.01,2389.46"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tWith the-- with the Frenchmen and so on it worked. We saved thousands and thousands of young Jews. We organized in France. They didn't even know where the money came from and who-- who-- who helped them. We-- we-- we-- we-- we-- we organized the-- the whole-- the production of false papers in the tens of thousands.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2389.46,2416.46"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: Were you involved in that?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2416.46,2417.59"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Well, sure. I gave money for this.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2417.59,2419.33"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: Money, but I mean were you actually in the--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2419.33,2421.83"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: I didn't go in, but I knew for what this was. And I was in contact with these people. And some in the morning at 6:00 from time to time they came in a locomotive driver from the railway station from France to my secretary's home and knocked at the door and brought in the letter from the underground.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2421.83,2445.2"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tWe were in contact with them. We got the reports. We knew what was going on. They brought to us-- I never said I was involved. We brought thousands of Jewish children to Switzerland. I couldn't tell the Swiss I was involved in it, but we were involved in it. The-- the-- I come back.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2445.2,2469.52"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tThe daily things, we tried hundreds of things. And some of them worked. Very few worked, I admit. But the great tragedy is the reality that nobody believed it. That is the only explanation. Not to the non-Jews and the Jews either. The Jews were so damned optimistic in their basic concept that they couldn't--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2469.52,2502.07"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tThe Jewish optimism, this has given us hope and has led us to survive. There's no doubt about it. Otherwise, we would have disappeared for a long time. But even then this moment, there was a kind of schizophrenia. One knew that things happened, in almost one didn't believe it. And in fact, a paradoxical situation is that the fact that one couldn't believe is in reality the greatest, what should I say?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2502.07,2539.84"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tThe most positive thing is that the human-- there is some human basic beliefs which-- which cannot accept the absolute evil. This is only what it comes to.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2539.84,2554.91"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: Did you know what was going on at the Palais des Sports in France, in Paris? Did you know whether people were being rounded up in--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2554.91,2563.95"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: '39?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2563.95,2564.67"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: Yes.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2564.67,2564.87"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Oh, sure. Certainly.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2564.87,2567.68"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: You knew what happened to those people? What? How did you know?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2567.68,2572.27"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: We knew immediately. We intervened immediately. We tried to help. Goldmann went in to-- to [INAUDIBLE] for this, to a certain minister of the interior. He knew that the same thing happened in England, by the way. Not in the same way in the Palais des Sports with all the-- the German Jews were arrested together with the Germans. And it took quite some time to get them out.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2572.27,2600.44"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: I-- I didn't know about this. Can you-- can you explain?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2600.44,2605.3"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Listen, this is a tragedy for the people whom-- who-- who were touched by it. The-- the-- the governments both in France and in England, when the war broke out-- broke out arrested all the nationals, enemy nationals. And they didn't make any differentiation between Jews and non-Jews. I mean, Germans and non-Germans and Jewish Germans or of Jewish origin. The same happened in-- in England.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2605.3,2643.7"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd we worked very strenuously to obtain from the governments to-- to make the differentiation. At least a Jew which came here as a refugee and is a bona fide refugee is probably not a Nazi, yeah? And you cannot treat him like a Nazi. So he said, yes, but some may be. All right, so then examine the cases. But you-- you-- you-- you-- you have to make a basic difference. Then this took a couple of months, but then it was more or less a settled question.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2643.7,2680.32"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: Were any German Jews shipped back to Germany from England?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2680.32,2683.87"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: No, no, no, no, no. Not under the Third Republic, no. No, they let them out. Some of them took longer. They investigated.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2683.87,2694.59"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tBut you see, we had the same problems in Switzerland later. And they complained about being in camps and so on. At that time, I was already glad, and the people were in Switzerland in camps. I know it wasn't very pleasant, but at least they were safe. And they were crying about the very bad treatment. And it wasn't so very nice. I admit, I was fighting with the Swiss to let more people in. It was more important than-- than whether they was a little better treated or not.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2694.59,2736.4"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tNow, it may be a little cynical when I say these things, because I wasn't in the camp, although I went often to-- to visit them. But you have to have your priorities in this matter.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2736.4,2748.19"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: What was your role after the war when there was no inclination to let these people out of what were then called displaced persons camps, but were very often the same place and not much improved circumstances?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2748.19,2769.7"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Displaced, we were in contact. I organized, in fact, the first confluence of the three, four displaced persons when they came to the Anglo-American Inquiry Commission. We organized the-- the various-- the various Jewish communities, adopted the resolution and statements which took place for the Jewish state. And we had the-- I remember, we had all the displaced persons organizations, I believe, in Geneva. About this I'm not so sure anymore.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2769.7,2809.57"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tFrom the three zones of Germany, from Italy, from-- from other places, who together, worked together and listened. I was in touch with all of them.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2809.57,2822.48"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: But the reluctance of other nations to take them or to allow them to go to Israel or Palestine.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2822.48,2829.04"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Yeah, that's no good. This we dealt with the international refugee organization, and we had quite some something to do even with establishment of the International Refugee Organization, which was established immediately after the war, and which took over in fact after UNRWA, the care of the refugees, the Jewish organization had a very small part in it.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2829.04,2852.59"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: The war--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2852.59,2853.924"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tCREW: I had a--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2853.924,2854.87"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: Go ahead.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2854.87,2854.9"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tCREW: Couple of questions, which you should answer to her and not to me. Is there any one thing or series of things do you think that might have been done, looking retrospectively, to galvanize world opinion or change the situation in some way if it were to be done over?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2854.9,2879.37"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Well, there were lots of things which could have been done, which I said I-- I'm not convinced-- well, let me say it Otherwise I'm convinced we could not have saved 6 million Jews with Hitler's determination. We may have prevented Hitler. We may have stopped the war. In 1932, you could prevent Hitler. In 1935, you could have stopped Hitler.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2879.37,2915.45"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tThis is certainly what the democratic world did not do. I, personally, am not convinced that Hitler was necessary to come to power. After 1932, in November, his was the first election where he lost one million votes. And under certain circumstances, maybe he would never have come to power. But that's speculation in-- in-- on the past. All this is very speculative.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2915.45,2948.56"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAt certain moments, I could have told you-- and you said that I could have told you, let's try this and this. And what we lacked, this is what I'm saying and accusing all of us. Some of us more, and some of us less. Some of us had more imagination or not, that we hadn't enough imagination for that.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2948.56,2968.67"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tI gave you one example about the-- this is not how a normal person argues, how I argued to Professor Burckhardt about Budapest. One day, I get a telegram. You had to be a little bit meshuggah in these days. It's a telegram from Yitzhak Gruenbaum. I don't know whether you know who he was. Very famous fighter for Jewish rights in Poland, member of the parliament, Polish parliament.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2968.67,3002.42"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd he was the head of Hatzalah, of the Rescue Department of the Jewish Agency in Jerusalem, in Palestine. Whether I could find his son in Poland. Now, I thought I'm crazy when I heard the story. This was one of the most respected Jewish leaders, and he was the head of the Hatzalah department of the Jewish Agency. But he had a personal tragedy, he had the son he didn't know where he was. He asked me whether I could find him.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=3002.42,3048.1"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tWhat did I do? A crazy thing. I sent 20 little packages to a man named the name of the son to 20 different camps, and I found the son.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=3048.1,3070.97"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: Because a receipt came back.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=3070.97,3071.57"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: It was the real son. Now, that's crazy, yeah? I tell you, it's crazy. But this is the kind of craziness you needed in order to rescue people. You couldn't argue with them, and so I wasted 19 packages. But we found the man and Gruenbaum knew that his son was alive.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=3071.57,3091.51"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tThese things, you had to be imaginative and-- and, finally, determined to do whatever you could under any circumstances.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=3091.51,3104.96"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: How did you, at that time, judge the Jewish community of the United States? Do you remember--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=3104.96,3113.01"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: I didn't judge them.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=3113.01,3113.96"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: Well, how did you perceive them?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=3113.96,3116.55"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Let me very clearly say, that we had definitely the feeling that the responsibility, the political responsibility was outside the continent at that time. Be it in London be it in Washington be it in Jerusalem. We were too much involved inside. We were not living. Even though I was living in a free country like Switzerland, I was not living under normal conditions, and I didn't know enough on the political scene. I didn't know what was going on.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=3116.55,3160.07"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tThanks God, maybe I didn't know. For me, Roosevelt and Churchill were also the heroes. I had in my office a photo of Roosevelt and a photograph of Churchill. And this was the inspiration that we will win the war. You understand what I mean?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=3160.07,3181.91"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tTherefore, I didn't judge. I couldn't judge. I'm not able to say whether Steven Wise could have done more, as some people say today, or Silver or the others, or not. We cannot judge all this with the notions of the '60s or the '80s. The mentality was so different, and the-- the-- the factors in our way. I mean, that you needed two years? You cannot imagine that today, that from 1940 1942 nobody spoke of the fate of the Jews. Nobody.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=3181.91,3228.49"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tThe first time-- you don't understand what I mean. The press was completely blacked out of anything of the Jewish fate in Europe. After Poland in 1939, there the whole world knew. After the collapse of France in 1940, the Jewish question was practically out of the the press. And nobody wanted to mention it. And nobody wanted to lead a war for the Jews, which meant that the poison of Hitler had affected the democratic countries already in a way that they were afraid to mention that they are standing up for the Jews.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=3228.49,3277.81"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tThis you cannot understand today anymore. But these were the factors in which the Jewish leadership at the time had to count.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=3277.81,3285.75"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: But they wouldn't open the doors. They wouldn't change the immigration. That's different than fighting a war for the Jews. They wouldn't give them refuge. And that was known.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=3285.75,3296.44"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Yeah, but the-- the-- the-- no. That's not defending-- but they tried. You cannot say they didn't try. They tried very hard. They didn't use the message-- the message to go to the White House and sit at the White House and-- and-- and-- try and-- and-- and-- make-- these were not the-- the-- the methods which we used.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=3296.44,3322.12"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tBut you could look up some of the-- some of the proposals which were made. I mean, there was a proposal at a certain moment by Nahum Goldmann that the British government and the American government should each give $5 million and the Jews $2 million for rescue activities. And it was partly the Jews who didn't want to. A respectable Jewish organization said, maybe we shouldn't depend on the government and we should-- we should pay for ourselves. This is a mentality which you can't understand today anymore.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=3322.12,3363.87"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tWe were the first to ask, to say this is not only the responsibility of the Jews to do it, to rescue Jews. This is the responsibility of mankind to rescue also Jews, whether they're Jews or others. And they have to participate. The international-- the UNRWA is the first organization which used funds for-- for-- for-- for-- for such purposes. And the International Refugee Organization then paid for the upkeep of the refugees, a major thing. Not the Jewish community. And there were hundreds of thousands.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=3363.87,3399.69"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tIt's only then that the Jewish community in this country understood that this was a general responsibility. Today, we say even Israel is a general responsibility. The mentality has changed enormously.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=3399.69,3413.87"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: The children.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=3413.87,3414.94"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Hm?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=3414.94,3415.8"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: The children, the-- the refusals to take the children.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=3415.8,3419.53"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: The children? We have lots of such efforts. Some succeeded. Some didn't succeed.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=3419.53,3423.9"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: Did you know Wallenberg?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=3423.9,3426.14"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/transcript/19358/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Wallenberg I didn't know, no. 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Silverman (1895-1968), a British Jewish Labour politician, member of parliament and chairman of the WJC’s British section.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=665.3,715.31"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/annotation_set/205/annotation/1246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eRichard Lichtheim (1885-1963), a Zionist Revisionist activist who headed the office of the Jewish Agency in Geneva. Like Riegner, he gathered news on events in Europe and sent it to the Jewish leadership in Palestine, London and New York. For a study of Lichtheim’s knowledge and perception of the extermination of Jews in Europe see Raya Cohen, “Confronting the Reality of the Holocaust: Richard Lichtheim, 1939-1942,” \u003cem\u003eYad Vashem \u003c/em\u003e\u003cem\u003eStudies\u003c/em\u003e XXIII (Jerusalem, 1993): 335-68.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=761.34,816.41"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/annotation_set/205/annotation/1247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eThe Bermuda Conference was an international conference held between the United States and the United Kingdom in April 1943 with the goal of formulating policy with regard to Jewish refugees liberated by Allied forces and those who remained under Nazi rule. 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Riegner may have been referring specifically to the following article that discussed his activities vis-á-vis the ICRC: Monty Noam Penkower, “The Jewish World Congress Confronts the International Red Cross During the Holocaust,” \u003cem\u003eJewish Social Studies\u003c/em\u003e 14 no. 3/4 (Summer-Autumn 1979): 229-256. For the most recent comprehensive study see Gerald Steinacher, \u003cem\u003eHumanitarians at War: The Red Cross in the Shadow of the Holocaust\u003c/em\u003e (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2017).\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1755.99,1787.24"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/annotation_set/205/annotation/1251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eCarl Jacob Burkhardt (1891-1974), Swiss diplomat and historian. Served as League of Nations High\u003cbr\u003eCommissioner to the Free City of Danzig and president of the International Committee of the Red Cross during the war.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1956.75,1989.38"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/annotation_set/205/annotation/1252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eIra Hirschman (1901-1989), a Jewish American businessman who helped rescue Jews during the Holocaust. 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Some of his cables have become very well know, e.g., in 4/43 sent long cable through American embassy to Dr. Wise and Goldmann- most expensive cable ever sent- American government asked me to pay for it (tells story)  But turned out to be the cheapest, since resulted in $25,000 being sent to me for the rescue of victims of Nazi persecution in Europe.  Conditions negotiated for 8-9 months – led to creation of War Refugee Board in 1/44.  And in the last year of the war $20 million used for rescue under War Refugee Board- so telegram finally broke the financial blockade resulting in perhaps the greatest practical contribution, which was made to the rescue effort.  \nDuring the delay time every day 6000 people killed in Treblinka.  Was terribly frustrated sitting in Geneva in beautiful office, looking out at beautiful lake and countryside, which existed as if nothing had happened (though hillsides full of Germans).  I was distressed by the weakness of the effort to help, but had to go on, which he did until the end.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=965.0,1409.0"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/index/40464/annotation/1263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Segment 14","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=1409.0,1743.0"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/index/40464/annotation/1264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Day-to-day activities: kept in touch with many communities.\n\nConsular reps brought info.  Sent thousands of parcels to all kinds of people.  Tried to influence the Red Cross to intervene, the Vatican. Occasional success.  =Vatican re; Slovakia  In last few winters conducted regular meetings in Geneva of all allied governments and the Red Cross to make collective representation to the Red Cross, which led to the last visit of [Burkhardt ?] in the camps, Kallentsrumnner, etc.  In last few months I was obsessed with feat that Germany would kill all Jews in camps at end of war- I  made efforts to prevent, via bribery and other means.\n\nDisbelief\nWhy people didn’t believe- I don’t believe inaction due to antisemitism, though were anti-Semites in government.  I  can’t complain about the people with whom he dealt, but e.g. reaction to establishment of war refugee board as gimmick of Roosevelt to win election (Jewish vote), no idea that somebody would really like to help the Jews.  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Now I  know there was a formal meeting of Red Cross on it, in which people who had spoken to me fought for declaration, but refused.  Excuses: RC’s mandate for POWS, not for civilian population and people in the camps: couldn’t risk a political declaration the results of which might endanger their position.  Re: POW’s.  There is something to it, but I  has never accepted, said to them (on public record) This caused them to take some action, though not a lot. The more the war was in allied favor the more daring they became.  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Weren’t dealing with normal people, with normal times.\nProtection papers: Swedes, Swiss, Red Cross.\nUrgent request from Hungary to Borchard (RC)- he asked me what to do, the more he gave out the less value they had.  I  said to him, you think like a Swiss citizen in normal times, but they aren’t you aren’t dealing with normal, civilized people: decision of Germans totally irrational, at least with paper a Jew could have a chance if didn’t would be arrested immediately.  Extraordinary times: everything that had been legal was illegal, vice versa.  Borchard heeded his advice, ordered that as many papers be issued as possible.\nThe real problem was that the world simply didn’t understand: dealt with problem as if it were a normal relief problem, but it was an extraordinary situation.\nCouldn’t have saved the 6 million, but could have save hundreds of thousands. Money not available for rescue attempts, e.g. Transnistria.  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One knew that things were happening, but the fact that one couldn’t believe the most tragic, poignant aspect: some basic human beliefs simply cannot accept absolute evil.\n\nI  knew that in 39 people rounded up in Paris.  Same thing happened in England: German Jews arrested as Germans (enemy aliens), WJC worked hard to have those government differentiate between German Jews and non- Jews. \n\nThese people complained about being in camps, but I was glad that in Switzerland they were in camps where they were safe and was fighting with the Swiss to let people in.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2491.0,2748.0"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/index/40464/annotation/1271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Segment 18","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945#t=2748.0,3105.0"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81945/index/40464/annotation/1272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"?Role after war in releasing Jews from DP camps?\n\nOrganized 1st conference of DP's at Anglo-American inquiry commission-.  Jewish communities adopted resolution to press for Jewish state.  DP organization in Geneva, I was in touch with all.  International Refugee organization. Established immediately after the war, party due to WJC\n\n?Is there anything that might have been done, looking retrospectively to change the situation in some way?\n\nLots of things could have been done but convinced couldn’t have saved 6 million Jews once Hitler in power- may have prevented Hitler, stopped the war; and this is something the democratic world didn’t do.  But that’s speculation.  Telegram form Yitzrace Lindblom, head of rescue department of Jewish agency in Palestine, asked me to find his son in Poland. I  did a crazy thing: sent 20 packages to son in 20 different camps and succeeded finding son.  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I  didn’t judge, couldn’t judge, still can’t.  Form 1940 to 1942 nobody spoke of the fate of the Jews.  World knew of Poland in '39, but after the collapse of France in 1942 nobody mentioned the Jews.  The poison of Hitler had infected the democratic countries so that they were afraid to speak up for the Jews. This can’t be understood today- even Jewish organization in US UNRRA 1st organization, not Jewish community, took action 1st.  Mentality changed today.\n\n?Why was Roosevelt willing to listen to Morgenthau but not before?\n\nFamous memorandum of Morgenthau accusing administration of collusion in killing of Jews, I was sure Roosevelt didn’t know details, but he was basically a politician, discussed winning the war rather than the Jewish question: I argued with them for that.  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In 1944 when famous reports on Auschwitz came in from 2 Slovakian escapees- at that time me and other proposed the bombing of Auschwitz and the bombing of communications to Auschwitz. Today we know that Churchill and Eden gave specific instructions and it was never done.  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In spite of Churchill and the-- and they sent the whole thing to the military, and then it comes back. Somewhere the thing is being stopped. And we are being told the whole time two major arguments. Technically, it cannot be done, because the bombers cannot return. This is what they-- we haven't enough-- we cannot send them from I don't know where, and they cannot come back. They haven't enough. This is too, too, too great a distance. That's one argument.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946#t=37.7,95.16"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946/transcript/19360/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd the second argument is, yeah, we have to win the war, and we cannot. We have to win the war. We cannot distract from-- from-- from the major war effort and--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946#t=95.16,112.9"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946/transcript/19360/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tNow we know today-- this is documented in the files that during that same period during which we argued with the Allies about sending-- and I know it was not only in England. It was also in America. Goldmann argued here with [INAUDIBLE] over dinner with some of the highest--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946#t=112.9,144.04"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946/transcript/19360/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd we get this kind of argument. The same moment, there are several bombings of several hundred bombers of the Allied forces bombing six kilometers from Auschwitz, the Buna-Werke and other fabriks and other enterprises. This has never been told to anybody, and it showed that there is absolutely bad faith in this story. They could have sent one or two to Auschwitz and it would have at least stopped, temporarily, the ovens. They would have killed maybe a few thousand people, too, but they would have been killed in any case.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946#t=144.04,198.06"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946/transcript/19360/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tThere was an idea of Kubowitzki not to bomb them but to-- to bring in some commandos and to destroy the ovens from inside. Somebody made a big fuss about the difference. The Congress in New York was not for bombing. It was for something else. This is nonsense. I mean, this is another method of stopping it. So on these refinements we could have had maybe different opinions, but we wanted to stop the ovens.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946#t=198.06,232.62"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946/transcript/19360/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tSo in reality, this is an artificial argument. But why was this not done? And why is this not explained until to this day? Here you really have no answer. In spite of Churchill. Don't forget. This must be known by the military. Who stopped it? Here, really, you-- you-- your wisdom stops.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946#t=232.62,272.3"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946/transcript/19360/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: You said you didn't know about the visa situation, that the State Department was in fact curtailing visas and weren't filling our quotas and so forth and so on. But you must have known that ships were going back empty. I mean, there was the argument that there wasn't-- there weren't ships to take these people out of whatever ports they found their way to. There simply weren't the boats. You in your listening post, did you know that ships were plying the ocean back and forth empty?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946#t=272.3,304.18"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946/transcript/19360/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Yeah, but we-- no, first of all, I didn't know anything. In Switzerland, you didn't know about ships and the ocean. But I'm not speaking about that. I'm speaking that during the whole period, from '33 to '45, there were-- certainly until '39, there were, for instance, I believe there was a German quota of 12,000.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946#t=304.18,331.93"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946/transcript/19360/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tAnd the Moss book reviews that this German quota was never filled. Now, that, in my opinion, was completely unknown. I didn't know about it. And I thought, after all, we were always under the impression that it's really full. The quota is full. Maybe there are a few Germans who have to have been included. I mean real Germans. Not German Jews. 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I knew that there was great anti-Semitism in this country, in America. And after all, there was a German Bund. There was Father Coughlin. There were Smiths. 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And this we knew. And this-- this. But how far this worked on the-- on the actual practice of the-- of the actual handling of individual cases in the department, this we didn't know. But that this was in the way of a better legislation or extraordinary Allied decision, this was known to us. But there was real opposition. It was not opposition in the bureaucracy. It was real opposition in the country.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946#t=442.44,481.84"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946/transcript/19360/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: Were you getting-- what kind of orders were you getting? Not orders, but direction were you getting from Dr. Goldmann and others in the central office here in the United States? Directives. What were they telling you to do?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946#t=481.84,500.48"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946/transcript/19360/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Well, that came much later, more in the later years of the war, when they were organized. You know we had here organized exile governments of Jewish communities during the war. The so-called representative committees for Italy, for France.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946#t=500.48,526.7"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946/transcript/19360/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tWhen this was done, then I got a number of suggestions, because these people knew their countries and made suggestions. But otherwise, you had to see what is possible. Kubowitzky was the head of Rescue Department. 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You will see all kinds of suggestion, which I got, and which I took up, of course.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946#t=559.6,568.98"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946/transcript/19360/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: Were you left pretty much to your own devices as to what you felt were your priorities during those years?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946#t=568.98,575.36"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946/transcript/19360/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: I don't think there was any-- any doubt about priorities.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946#t=575.36,580.2"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946/transcript/19360/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: Well, what were they?\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946#t=580.2,582.13"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946/transcript/19360/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: Well, rescue whatever you can.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946#t=582.13,585.315"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946/transcript/19360/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: But I guess I'm not-- I don't understand how you personally were able, were expected to help rescue. 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Even in the last few months of the war, the whole question of communications of trucks and so on, in the last few months, this was a long negotiation in the Red Cross, with the Red Cross and the Allied government, and in which we were involved, by the way.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946#t=625.93,679.81"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946/transcript/19360/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tI intervened for the mistreatment of Jewish prisoners of war. I sent in packages. I sent books, and-- and-- and Sidurim and so on into prisoner of war camps. I mean, there was a great variety of-- of activities, which [INAUDIBLE]. 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But in reality, the lack of success of this position was in built in the situation of our powerlessness, of the lack of a state, of a world which was basically antisemitic in Europe, and which was outside Europe basically interested to win the war.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946#t=1003.31,1026.78"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946/transcript/19360/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tINTERVIEWER: If there were no World Jewish Congress, if there were no organization formed not so long before this tragedy--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946#t=1026.78,1032.759"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946/transcript/19360/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tGERHART RIEGNER: It came much too late into being. This is clear. I don't know. I think we have shown in our activities, it's not important. We fulfilled a certain function. Nobody can say they didn't know what is happening. And that was basically our performance. Nobody can see we-- we didn't press them with hundreds of proposals to act. Because this is incorrect. And a certain number of things, which we have done, which has worked, has helped a little bit.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946#t=1032.759,1082.2"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946/transcript/19360/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\tI am not one who is proud of this record. I think our generation has failed, basically. I think the new generation has to learn, also, that one can lose the wars. One cannot only win wars. One can also lose wars. And as far as the Jews are concerned with regard to Hitler, we lost the war. The Allies won it, but we lost it. And this we should never forget. Thanks God, we have today the state and the great compensation, which if you want, which we have won with this powerless, for this powerlessness, is today a factor which I hope will prevent in the future any such situation. 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Kubowitzki (1896-1966), a socialist Zionist leader, a fighter for Jewish rights in Europe, one of the leaders of the economic boycott on Germany and a founder of the WJC. 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We were given 2 major arguments: (1) can’t be done technically, because the bombers can’t return (too great a distance) (2) Winning the war has to be the priority.\n\nToday we know that during that same period several allied bombings 6 km from Auschwitz the Buna works and other factories.  Was never told to anybody.  They could have sent 1 or 2 to Auschwitz.  (Had been arguments whether Auschwitz should be bombed or kommandos sent in- but this was just a detail among those who agreed that the others should be stopped). But why it wasn’t done remains unexplained.\n\nDuring whole period '33-'45, at least to '39, was a German quota that remained unfilled.  I didn’t know about it at the time.  Doesn’t know whether Roosevelt knew.  People living in US the time in a better position to judge.  Where the criticism should be.  \n","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946#t=30.0,402.0"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946/index/40465/annotation/384","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Segment 22","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946#t=402.0,747.0"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946/index/40465/annotation/385","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"?Was the war against the Jews from the good group as well?\n\nWouldn’t say that.  Knew there was anti-Semitism in US.\n\n?What direction were you getting from Goldmann, et al in the US?\n\nCame much later in the war when there were organized exile governments of Jewish communities.  Then got many suggestions form those .  No doubt about priorities: Rescue whatever you can.\n\n?How?\n\nPolitical  means- gives examples\nMaterial assistance to occupied countries.  Involved with negotiations between Red Cross and allied government on trucks in last months of war.\n\nI intervened on behalf of Jewish POW’s tried to take any political actions which would help.  \n","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946#t=402.0,747.0"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946/index/40465/annotation/386","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Segment 23","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946#t=747.0,1163.32333"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946/index/40465/annotation/387","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"?Efforts failed because Israel didn’t exist- what acceptance of WJC as a vehicle.\n\nIf there had been a state, the whole thing would have happened differently.  If partition plan of 1936 had been accepted- even WJC divided on it- Wise against, Goldmann for it, before the war.  Sometimes I think the real mistakes were made before the war.  But Europe was anti-Semitic, Hitler was the crown of the anti-Semitic system.  Except for Yugoslavia and Czech, all of Europe was anti-Semitic.  On negotiations finally comes down to 2 things; the more anti-Semitic the people are, the more power they believe the Jews have.  Finally came down to how the individual presented the case- lack of success built into situation: anit-Semitism in Europe.  Outside of Europe interest only in winning war.  \nWJC, etc. came much too late and too weak.  It did fill certain functions: nobody can saw they didn’t know what was happening, and that was basically due to WJC.  Nobody can say WJC didn’t press them to act.  A certain number of things which \nWJC did, did help a little.  I  not proud of that record, his generation has failed basically, thinks the new generation has to learn that one can also lose war.  “As far as the Jews are concerned, with regard to Hitler, we lost the war. The allies won it, but we lost it.  And this we should never forget.”\nState of Israel compensations- hopes will prevent any such situation in the future.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/5/collection_resources/830/file/81946#t=747.0,1163.32333"}]}]}]}