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It's terrible. ?] Just like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/132866/file/247844#t=1627.66,1630.2"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/132866/file/247844/transcript/69042/annotation/479","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the communist [INAUDIBLE].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/132866/file/247844#t=1630.2,1631.664"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/132866/file/247844/transcript/69042/annotation/480","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: 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um,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/132866/file/247844#t=2298.25,2302.9"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/132866/file/247844/transcript/69042/annotation/706","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and scopes of atrocity within\nthe context of the atrocity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/132866/file/247844#t=2302.9,2306.86"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/132866/file/247844/transcript/69042/annotation/707","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't think there's\nsignificant value in 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That ?] Nathan Beyrak.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/132866/file/247854#t=5152.608,5153.65"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/132866/file/247854/transcript/69056/annotation/1605","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the coming\nhome, Vera Schwarcz.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/132866/file/247854#t=5156.64,5160.38"},{"id":"https://fortunoff.aviaryplatform.com/collections/24/collection_resources/132866/file/247854/transcript/69056/annotation/1606","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And from stereotype\nto 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